FSD in the future question

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not sure if this is even the right sub area but here it goes and another question specifically for you heavy FSD users and die hard users.

So I assume the ultimate goal is to have FSD in all vehicles.

How would FSD work in a school bus that stops to pick up and drop off children?

How would FSD work in Fire Trucks and Ambulances?

How would FSD work in Garbage trucks on pick up day for people? Would you really want to be hanging on the back as a loader when no one is really driving? How would you stop it if it passes a trash pickup and go back to get it?

Just curious how it would work even on these few jobs and if the answer is to say have someone in the school bus to monitor the kids and such why not just have them drive like they do now.

Really wondering how FSD would work in a Fire truck or Brush Trucks going to a fire as they are allowed to go through red lights to get to its destination.

Or is the goal to have FSD in only cars, trucks, and non commercial vehicles. I don't get the use the CT as a delivery vehicle at all as if you are going to have someone in there to pick up and drop off packages why not just let them drive anyway. Sure you may be able to pay them a buck or two less an hour than a traditional driver for FedEX but not that much less. Also is it really a wise payback to have a 70-80K truck that is not really designed for it anyway. Yes you can take out seats and sound systems and other stuff but why not just build a real delivery truck from scratch like FedEx did.

Of course some of these use cases/issues may be in the far far future and not even addressed even by Telsa as just to many variables.

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[JCERRN]

Not sure if this is even the right sub area but here it goes and another question specifically for you heavy FSD users and die hard users.

So I assume the ultimate goal is to have FSD in all vehicles.

How would FSD work in a school bus that stops to pick up and drop off children?

How would FSD work in Fire Trucks and Ambulances?

How would FSD work in Garbage trucks on pick up day for people? Would you really want to be hanging on the back as a loader when no one is really driving? How would you stop it if it passes a trash pickup and go back to get it?

Just curious how it would work even on these few jobs and if the answer is to say have someone in the school bus to monitor the kids and such why not just have them drive like they do now.

Really wondering how FSD would work in a Fire truck or Brush Trucks going to a fire as they are allowed to go through red lights to get to its destination.

Or is the goal to have FSD in only cars, trucks, and non commercial vehicles. I don't get the use the CT as a delivery vehicle at all as if you are going to have someone in there to pick up and drop off packages why not just let them drive anyway. Sure you may be able to pay them a buck or two less an hour than a traditional driver for FedEX but not that much less. Also is it really a wise payback to have a 70-80K truck that is not really designed for it anyway. Yes you can take out seats and sound systems and other stuff but why not just build a real delivery truck from scratch like FedEx did.

Of course some of these use cases/issues may be in the far far future and not even addressed even by Telsa as just to many variables.

I think it depends on what you are referring to. UFSD will be that can be utilized by any type of vehicle that needs to drive from a to B in my opinion whether that is a 2 person passenger vehicle or a mass transit bus. Think of it like AI that controls the robot (vehicle). Right now it is perfecting driving, but i would not be surprised if autonomy came to machines like construction equipment, delivery vehicles, and utility vehicles in the future.

It can already perform “curbside” drop offs (as seen with robo taxi services) so that answers the school bus question.

regarding waste management- a whole lot of those vehicles use “the claw” to collect bins anyway, so i can see how that all could be easily automated.

deliveries can and already are done by drone. So imagine each vehicle being either a drone launcher that can carry the package from the transport vehicle to the door step and can dock back at the vehicle and recharge. Either that or optimus will ride along and walk/carry the package (or pizza) to the door- and be recharged by the vehicle as well. Of course the interior of the vehicle will be vastly different and will be unlikely to include “seats” and airbags and infotainment (Optimus does not need subwoofers) and will likely contain docking stations and fully adjustable package storage.

regarding emergency vehicles- thats more challenging because for the most part there is a need for personelle to be at the scene.

Of course this is all simply a vision- what actually plays out in the real world will be interesting to see regardless!

 

[Gigahorse]

Kids drop off, no problem.

EMS vehicles will likely have two modes, the manual override needed for breaking of traffic laws (running red lights, driving through medians, etc)

As far as trash trucks go, there won't be anyone hanging off the back, most municipalities have already moved to a driver operated arm that pulls the bins.

Specialty deliveries, EMS, etc will be manual for quite some time, or have manual options.
But it isn't about solving that 1% of driving needed, it is about solving the 99% of driving miles needed.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I do not think you all understand at least the school bus question fully. I get the point A to point B but if a school bus has to pick up say 30-45 students on it's run than you have to have someone somewhere program in stop 1, 2, 3, 4, etc and may be a large total. Then there is the how long does FSD stay stopped waiting for a student(s) to load and get seated and seat belt if required put on. Is FSD even able to do something like this?

Then there is the if no one is in the driver seat who monitors who comes in the bus at a stop. What if the child is say 20 or 30 feet from the usual stop area because of a snow pile or such will FSD automatically adjust by itself?

What about a fight on the school bus between kids how does FSD handle that if no real adult is onboard? Seat belts are required in Texas school buses starting a few years back, how does FSD know that little jimmy a 6 YO did the seat belt if no one else is on the bus but other 5-10 year olds.
Going fully unsupervised is more than just driving from a single point A to point B in many jobs.

Who will do the training on how to program it right? Also in the case of school buses, they do not always pick up students in front of their home but a middle side area of road. How do you program FSD to stop between addresses?

If the answer is to have a monitor on each bus why not just keep it as it is with the current bus driver.

Lastly assuming FSD gets unsupervised who is responsible if a accident and the damage/injuries happens?

I am not trying to be hard but these are serious questions and there are many more I would assume. Just because your car or truck can go unsupervised from Point A to Point B does not mean it is that simple for many, many professions/jobs.

 

[Schroederhc]

Semi should be the next push for autonomy if I had to take a bet.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I agree with you Schroederhc as that is more of a Point A to Point B only or maybe a Point C in there sometimes.

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