FSD (Unsupervised) price?

[rovert43]

Agreed. FSD as it exists now is 98% of the way to unsupervised in my opinion. I'm just a babysitter to a pretty mature kid that needs a little watching not to get into trouble.

Assuming more fixes before unsupervised let's say it's 99% there. It wouldn't make sense to make an upgrade fee to get to that final 1%. If they do then I won't be a buyer. I like being the driver sometimes anyway.

FSDU will be included in all AI4 existing subs.
HW3 may need an upgrade however they're working on a FSDU lite version that can operate on HW3.

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[SCTesla]

FSDU will be included in all AI4 existing subs.
HW3 may need an upgrade however they're working on a FSDU lite version that can operate on HW3.

That's a hopeful take.

As stated before, many believe that FSDU and RT will be different price plans from Elon's words in the last earnings call. Basically, if you want your car to drive without anyone in the drivers seat, it will cost extra, but FSDS will shift to FSDU and will be able to be unsupervised as long as there is someone in the drivers seat in the edge cases to take over (basically SAE L3).

This is a leap from Elon saying that current FSD is basically unsupervised and driving monitoring will be reduced as improvements are made and that they haven't thought out how they will allow private cars to be included in RT that has remote monitoring.

 

[rovert43]

That's a hopeful take.

As stated before, many believe that FSDU and RT will be different price plans from Elon's words in the last earnings call. Basically, if you want your car to drive without anyone in the drivers seat, it will cost extra, but FSDS will shift to FSDU and will be able to be unsupervised as long as there is someone in the drivers seat in the edge cases to take over (basically SAE L3).

This is a leap from Elon saying that current FSD is basically unsupervised and driving monitoring will be reduced as improvements are made and that they haven't thought out how they will allow private cars to be included in RT that has remote monitoring.

That's definitely a consideration whether you'd have to sit in the driver seat or not. I think that would be awfully petty personally and not good for customer retention. Half glass empty I could see the consideration though.

 

[Pops]

I am no lawyer, but I have heard it stated before that a company is liable for promises a CEO makes. A quick search will show you dozens of times that Elon has made the promise that all FSD purchasers would get unsupervised FSD when it is ready. Here is what Google AI says about that:

Companies are generally liable for promises made by a CEO acting within the scope of their authority, as they act as agents of the corporation
. While the corporate veil protects personal assets, the entity itself can face contractual, civil, or regulatory liability for broken promises, fraudulent misrepresentations, or non-compliance.
Key details regarding company and CEO liability:

• Corporate Liability: Under the doctrine of respondeat superior, companies are legally responsible for actions, including promises, made by employees or officers within the course and scope of their employment.
• Apparent Authority: A company may be bound by a CEO's promise even if it was not explicitly authorized, provided a reasonable third party believed the CEO had the authority to make it.

 

[SCTesla]

I am no lawyer, but I have heard it stated before that a company is liable for promises a CEO makes. A quick search will show you dozens of times that Elon has made the promise that all FSD purchasers would get unsupervised FSD when it is ready. Here is what Google AI says about that:

A court already ruled that most of what Elon says is corporate puffery, especially in regards to FSD and it doesn't overrule the terms of the company.

Elon also didn't define what UFSD is. It could be the ability to look at your phone while driving. He's clearly started separating the ability of Robotaxis from UFSD in the last 2 earnings calls.

 

[Pops]

A court already ruled that most of what Elon says is corporate puffery, especially in regards to FSD and it doesn't overrule the terms of the company.

Elon also didn't define what UFSD is. It could be the ability to look at your phone while driving. He's clearly started separating the ability of Robotaxis from UFSD in the last 2 earnings calls.

That is not how I understood that court decision. The judge was talking about how Elons statements were forward facing and not statements of current fact. Meaning Tesla is still on the hook eventually... just not right now.

Edit: I dont want to get into a legal argument, but its pretty clear that a CEO cannot just make random promises without any expectation of liability.

 

[Pops]

Elon also didn't define what UFSD is. It could be the ability to look at your phone while driving. He's clearly started separating the ability of Robotaxis from UFSD in the last 2 earnings calls.

Elon has pretty clearly defined what uFSD is. Many times. If you would like I can put in the research time to give specific examples.

Edit:
Example #1, 8 months ago.
Question: "Full self driving level 4?"
Elon: "Unsupervised self driving, you do not need to pay attention" - He then confirms he is talking about standard privately owned cars with FSD.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I am no lawyer, but I have heard it stated before that a company is liable for promises a CEO makes. A quick search will show you dozens of times that Elon has made the promise that all FSD purchasers would get unsupervised FSD when it is ready. Here is what Google AI says about that:

Yeah... tell that to all the people who got the T-Mobile "Price and promo for life guarantee" and got their rates raised.



and look what happened...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ly-price-hike-on-customers-using-older-plans/

I would hopefully agree with you, but it certainly has happened in the past that CEOs make promises and they fault on those promises. Class action is in the works, but not a lot of movement on that lately.

 

[Pops]

I would hopefully agree with you, but it certainly has happened in the past that CEOs make promises and they fault on those promises. Class action is in the works, but not a lot of movement on that lately.

Well its not something that happens automatically, they typically have to be forced to be held liable. I cant imagine a timeline where Tesla gets away scott-free with breaking this promise. Unless they never achieve uFSD, cant get it legally approved, or they go out of business.

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