FSD v14.1.7 rolling out to all Cybertruck owners! Update yours yet??

[Professor]

I agree. we had the same learning pains with V13. at first it was making dumb mistakes, but it got better, then better, now with 14 starting over, its like 13 was the gold standard.

BTW i noticed that most of the negative reviews are from people with no avatar, most of the positive and neutral reviews are from known members. correlation there? Some of the posters don't even apparently own Cybertrucks!

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[Tallgeese179]

Yeah, basically. We’re here to supervise FSD while it learns and to keep it from doing anything too stupid. Once it no longer does stupid things we can stop supervising it. It’s not a new concept and not unlike teaching a kid with a learner’s permit.

I think we're mostly in alignment. Using your example, would you not also agree that sometimes the student must make a mistake to completion in order to learn? And when they make that mistake, it's the student's fault since they're controlling the inputs, not the safety driver/supervisor/parent.

FSD is to us, and probably to the Tesla engineers as well, a black box with somewhat known inputs and outputs only known retrospectively. If you intervene, you'll never know what the output truly would have been. There's a non-zero change that it stops, backs up, and avoids the drop off.

Now I'm not advocating for people fully letting it rip and "moving fast/break things" with their personal property and the general public. I sure as shit didn't want damage on a 2 month old truck. However, I would argue in some cases the juice might be worth the squeeze for Tesla.

 

[HokieCT]

Did you say it BACKED 2 football fields out of your driveway?!

Exactly - I live on a 35 acre farm. CT was parked against garage - face in. New software was loaded so I put in an address to drive to and hit the Self Drive button on the screen. CT went in reverse all the way down my driveway to the main road.

 

[SCTesla]

You're right, sorry the Double Think™ V420.69 update just isn't quite sticking in my brain yet. I'll try to remember:

Good driving when FSD is on = FSD responsible, we're ready for driverless
Bad driving when FSD is on = driver responsible, regardless of time window to react

GOT IT

But seriously, I'm just as annoyed with the folks pre-judging and just FUDing like their first name was Elmer. However contributing to edge cases and providing criticism when it's due is a necessary part of the feedback loop. A good driver typically backs out far enough that they end up in the correct lane/side of the road, not backing up just enough to clear the parked cars next to it before shifting into drive/forward. Cutting corners instead of swinging a wider arc is another rookie mistake. Again, I get the frustration but responding like a human version of the ackchyually meme isn't helpful or constructive, but I'm sure it made you feel better .

It's supervised, it's very clear from Tesla that you are the driver...good or bad. It can do the worst thing at the worst time...that's a quote from Elon.

We are not past that point, yet. We are reaching a point where it's potentially more dangerous because, like you thought, it's almost good enough to appear at times that it's fully capable, but it's not.

Especially on the CT, know that tight spots, corners, curbs, even other cars could be problematic. You should watch accordingly.

I can't tell you how many accidents have been posted in TMC by users trust ASS, hitting other cars, poles, curbs, etc. "Will Tesla pay for this?"...the answer from Tesla is always no, because you are supposed to monitor it.

 

[SCTesla]

Now I'm not advocating for people fully letting it rip and "moving fast/break things" with their personal property and the general public. I sure as shit didn't want damage on a 2 month old truck. However, I would argue in some cases the juice might be worth the squeeze for Tesla.

It's not, though.

Tesla has simulations and in house testing for the "almost accident, let's see how it does"...you are not supposed to push those limits.

 

[Mr. A.D. Griffin]

Updating now….

I downloaded it yesterday.

 

[DocStizzle]

Took my first drive into work this morning. I live just off of a 2 lane highway where the speed limit is 70 and the CB pulled out in front of a car that I would have waited for. I guess I could have disengaged it but all happened so fast (plus I was a little curious if mad max would use the cyberbeast acceleration to get up to speed instantly) that I let the car do its thang. I ended up pressing the acclerator as the approaching car was doing so rapidly and in mad max mode the additional acceleration provided by my input felt more like chill mode than beast mode. The car behind be proceeded to drive right up on my tail and keep its brights on for the next mile - clearly they weren't pleased. I would have apologized and blamed it on FSD had I had the chance, but alas...

The rest of the drive went really well. There was even a bag of garbage that must have blown out of someone's pickup bed in my lane (on a 2 Lange highway). The CB signaled left, drove around the bag of garbage into the oncoming lane (there was no oncoming traffic so it was safe to do so even though it was a double striped no passing area) and then back into the correct lane just as I would have.

One thing I noticed was that in mad max mode in a 35mph area with 4 lane traffic, the truck was going as fast as 14mph over the speed limit. Without the ability to use the scrolls wheels to control top speed I guess I'll play around with the speed offset setting to attempt to control this behavior? I'll usually go 7-10mph over the speed limit but rarely more than that to avoid tickets. If anyone has any tips on how to keep from going a certain amount over the speed limit in Hurry and Mad Max modes I'm all ears.

The coolest part of the drive was the parking. I have a parking lot in front of my office building that I don't park in and thats where the cybertruck parked me initially because I told it to take me to work. But since we reserve that lot for our customers I pulled up the map and dropped a pin on a different parking lot that I do park in that is opposite my building. The cybertruck took me there and parked AGAIN! So cool. It backed in the first time and pulled in forward the second time. I've been using FSD for many years now between my wife's 2022 model Y and now the cyberbeast and I've never had it park me like this. Super cool!

 

[wh1t3rbb1t]

Wow. This works so well for me. Backed out of my driveway. Drove on unmarked roads. Parked in a parking garage at work. All with zero interventions. This works SO well

 

[rjmcinnis]

And then I can go back to 38.8?

Sure, go ahead.

 

[rjmcinnis]

Apparently my Cybertruck thinks it’s better than everyone else and decided to take up two spaces!!

That part of the programming was done by a BMW driver.

 

[65SoYoLO]

Parking is 50/50. Sometimes it's perfect and fast, other times slow and bad. I've had 3 or 4 attempts at handicap parking and multiple park jobs completely over the line, but I love the concept.

It's crazy in my driveway. My driveway is like 3 lanes and the truck parks at an angle attempting to block all 3.

it identifies as a corvette?

 

[i_dont_have_one]

I have had two short drives, about 3 1/2 miles each, the first drive I let it traverse the 'preferred' route on the navigation screen (not my preference) the second time I chose an alternate route (more on that later). The trip follows a two lane divided roadway with a left turn lane in between. There was a lot of road construction for such a short trip, over half of it was road closures and merges. FSD handled it pretty well, it allowed cars to merge into the correct lane that I was in from both sides, left and right (an impatient driver drove up the left turn lane until the merge point). It weaved through construction barriers pretty well, although it was following another vehicle all the time. It did exhibit a new behavior I hadn't seen before, the sterring squircle would move back and forth ever so slightly when we were stopped.

The second trip was another story. I didn't want to go through the same construction zone so I chose an alternate route on the map (my preferred route). It hemmed, hawed, hesitated, switched me back to the primary route and finally relented when I selected my preferred route again. The first issue came up on a right turn on red. I was following another vehicle that executed the turn. The truck began its turn into the intersection as a panel van was passing through, so I had to disengage by braking hard. (no opportunity to report the disengagement). Within two blocks it changed lanes in the middle of an intersection, I maneuver I wouldn't do. After making a left turn (finally, FINALLY!, without running into anything) and after traveling about 1/4 mile down the road a message appeared on the screen, something like 'FSD (supervised) hands free mode off'. I grabbed the squircle and a few moments later it indicated 'FSD (supervised) hand free mode on'. I presume this is the same issue that prevented me from using FSD from about 13.2.8, where I could no longer wear sunglasses without getting nagged within five minutes of a drive. I stopped using FSD entirely after this hoping that it would be fixed in a future release. Apparently not, and I probably won't be using FSD anymore.

By the way, these two trips were both in Sloth mode, because I like to obey the speed limit, and in most cases the rest of the traffic flow observed the speed limit.

 

[vandytom]

14 is def a big leap. It feels more confident. Skipping around semis on interstate is better. It tries to avoid road objects like lunch baggie and some potholes. Only hesitation I caught was during a left turn intersection when it was unsure about entering the middle yellow lane early or not (standard mode). It jerks around a few times then got in the lane. Maybe hurry max mode wouldn’t happen.

Overall, I feel much better about using it more.

 

[ABILISK]

I think we're mostly in alignment. Using your example, would you not also agree that sometimes the student must make a mistake to completion in order to learn? And when they make that mistake, it's the student's fault since they're controlling the inputs, not the safety driver/supervisor/parent.

Yes I would. And I’ll let it do stupid things here and there when safe. You go full commit letting it bottom out off a drop off! Lol

 

[Tallgeese179]

Yes I would. And I’ll let it do stupid things here and there when safe. You go full commit letting it bottom out off a drop off! Lol

You give me too much credit. I wish I could be so cavalier with the CT. If I had the time to react I would have. I'll upload the video later, but it happens in approximately 1-1.5 car lengths. In that space it was accelerating up to speed pretty quick for a parking lot and was turning away from the drop off/parked cars for half of it.

Also after rewatching a buffer heavy clip replay on my phone, my doodle definitely needs tweaking and has bad geometry/placement. The CT was further away where the drop-off is lower.

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