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[firsttruck]

Small, limited government that has a simple and moral rule of law - that's the right formula. We used to have that formula. The problem is so many people have been brainwashed to think that big government can solve all our problems. The reality is big government is oppressive and the end result is North Korea. Why don't you vote with your feet and move there?

*** This response to previous political comment is NOT politics, just actual facts and history ***

Your "We used to have that formula" had a lot of oppression and seem some of the old oppression is returning again.

The good old days like pre 1921? Even today, women are being legally forced to abide by laws that affect their control of their own bodies (ultimate freedom) where the law was passed before it was legal for women to vote. Some of these laws are pre 1921.

In 1921 should not all laws that affected women where the law was passed before women could vote have been null and void (cancelled) until the laws were re-passed.
Cancelling did not happen.

Just like with slavery, freedom and self-proclaimed "uber" democracy, the U.S. was not even in first 10 nations to allow most of itss women to vote and then not really until 1965

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Did women earn the right to vote on August 18, 1920? The answer is yes . . . and no.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/did-women-earn-the-right-to-vote-on-august-18-1920.htm

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Did women earn the right to vote on August 18, 1920? The answer is yes . . . and no. The 19th Amendment states that the right to vote "shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." In theory, this language guaranteed that all women in the United States could not be prevented from voting because of their gender. In reality, a continual disregard for the 15th Amendment--which had been ratified 50 years earlier and banned voter discrimination based on race--created a loophole to prevent black women and other women of color from voting on account of their race.

President Ulysses S. Grant proclaimed the 15th Amendment as "the greatest civil change [that] constitutes the most important event that has occurred since the nation came into life."

Unfortunately, his hopes for a genuine bi-racial democracy were eventually overturned during the Jim Crow era. Southern states used voting restrictions such as literacy tests, poll taxes, and grandfather clauses. Voter intimidation and outright violence such as lynchings and murders were also used to keep black men from the polls. By the turn of the 20th century (1900), the vast majority of the Southern Black population was effectively disenfranchised (BY LAW NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE).


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage


Many instances occurred in recent centuries where women were selectively given, then stripped of, the right to vote.

*** Even in the U.S.

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Just like the different times and places in U.S. (and other place/times in world, in the same exact location at different times) where no women could vote, then some could vote, then most women could not vote, then some could vote, then they were prohibited from voting, then they could vote.

I haven't seen a single instance of women voting themselves out of the right to vote yet.

Same thing happened to racial minorities (Not allowed to vote, some allowed to vote, them most prohibited from voting, etc).
I haven't seen a single instance of racial minorities voting themselves out of the right to vote yet. and yet again today in U.S. some racial minorities are losing right to vote again.

And not just minorities but voters of whole U.S. cities are being threaten with losing the right to have their votes count.


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George Carlin - Rights and Privileges

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George Carlin - It's a Big Club and You Ain't In It! The American Dream

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[Knucklehead]

*** This response to previous political comment is NOT politics, just actual facts and history ***

Your "We used to have that formula" had a lot of oppression and seem some of the old oppression is returning again.

The good old days like pre 1921? Even today, women are being legally forced to abide by laws that affect their control of their own bodies (ultimate freedom) where the law was passed before it was legal for women to vote. Some of these laws are pre 1921.

In 1921 should not all laws that affected women where the law was passed before women could vote have been null and void (cancelled) until the laws were re-passed.
Cancelling did not happen.

Just like with slavery, freedom and self-proclaimed "uber" democracy, the U.S. was not even in first 10 nations to allow most of itss women to vote and then not really until 1965

-------------------------------------------

Did women earn the right to vote on August 18, 1920? The answer is yes . . . and no.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/did-women-earn-the-right-to-vote-on-august-18-1920.htm

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Did women earn the right to vote on August 18, 1920? The answer is yes . . . and no. The 19th Amendment states that the right to vote "shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." In theory, this language guaranteed that all women in the United States could not be prevented from voting because of their gender. In reality, a continual disregard for the 15th Amendment--which had been ratified 50 years earlier and banned voter discrimination based on race--created a loophole to prevent black women and other women of color from voting on account of their race.

President Ulysses S. Grant proclaimed the 15th Amendment as "the greatest civil change [that] constitutes the most important event that has occurred since the nation came into life."

Unfortunately, his hopes for a genuine bi-racial democracy were eventually overturned during the Jim Crow era. Southern states used voting restrictions such as literacy tests, poll taxes, and grandfather clauses. Voter intimidation and outright violence such as lynchings and murders were also used to keep black men from the polls. By the turn of the 20th century (1900), the vast majority of the Southern Black population was effectively disenfranchised (BY LAW NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE).


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage


Many instances occurred in recent centuries where women were selectively given, then stripped of, the right to vote.

*** Even in the U.S.

--------------------------------------------

Just like the different times and places in U.S. (and other place/times in world, in the same exact location at different times) where no women could vote, then some could vote, then most women could not vote, then some could vote, then they were prohibited from voting, then they could vote.

I haven't seen a single instance of women voting themselves out of the right to vote yet.

Same thing happened to racial minorities (Not allowed to vote, some allowed to vote, them most prohibited from voting, etc).
I haven't seen a single instance of racial minorities voting themselves out of the right to vote yet. and yet again today in U.S. some racial minorities are losing right to vote again.

And not just minorities but voters of whole U.S. cities are being threaten with losing the right to have their votes count.


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George Carlin - Rights and Privileges

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George Carlin - It's a Big Club and You Ain't In It! The American Dream

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Dude. I was talking about car regulations and the freedom to choose what we buy and what we do. I was not talking about voting rights. You have taken one short comment about wanting smaller government and more freedom and distorted it to suggest I want less freedoms and more people oppressed. You are the worst kind of liar.

 

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[Crissa]

When my spouse worked at Stanford, on the Gravity Probe B mission, across the street they shared space in the SLAC - the linear accelerator building. It's not there now, but then it still had the detritus of decades of government funded projects. Some of the phds working on GP-B worked on GPS, and in the basement of SLAC, a huge room you could fit a four-story building in, they had mounted experiments on the ceiling to simulate the satellites. They were still there, because it would've taken a crane to get them down!

So much history there, I was proud of her work on the project. Her software detected faults while the satellite was in orbit and she had to update it during the mission. Pretty good for someone without a degree, huh?

Before that, she worked in cellular technology, and was sometimes called to do triangulation before it was something the software (and hardware) supported.

Government money is super-important, spending on things we wouldn't otherwise have. And making sure things like our phones and computers all work together.

Now, c'mon, trucks? Charging networks! We need stability in a charging network. The government funding is what made this merger of NACS hardware and CCS software possible. And we need to support the CCS vehicles through their lifetime, because otherwise we'd just 'lose' one in five highway-capable BEVs from the market. And we need them on the road as long as possible, displacing pollution-creating ICE vehicles.

We all breathe air and should be able to agree on not wasting that, right?

-Crissa

 

[Greshnab]

Now, c'mon, trucks? Charging networks! We need stability in a charging network. The government funding is what made this merger of NACS hardware and CCS software possible. And we need to support the CCS vehicles through their lifetime, bec

I disagree one of the dangers all early adaptors risk is buying into tech that will dead end.. we all know this when we do it.

It is NOT up to the rest of the nation to support through our taxes bad bets made by a few people.

buying emergent technology IS a gamble.. what other bets are we going to start covering?

 

[PilotPete]

It is NOT up to the rest of the nation to support through our taxes bad bets made by a few people.

buying emergent technology IS a gamble.. what other bets are we going to start covering?

We’re it not for the government spending on emerging tech…
-WW2 might have ended differently.
-We would’ve had NO space program
-No such thing as GPS.
-We would be the only major country without nuclear weapons (and might not even be an independent country now)
-the EV auto market would NOT be where it is today.
-“Stealth” wouldn’t exist in military aircraft.
-the Air Traffic System we use today wouldn’t be where it is, the safest in the world.
-Fisker wouldn’t have… oh snap, scratch this one.
-Solyndra would never have been able… Crap, scratch this one too.
-BetaMax might have won. Oh wait, never mind, the government stayed out of this one.
-We would have never gone metric. Dang it, the public revolted and we didn’t.

The truth is, sometimes there are ideas that need help. That’s where the government can help. But you are right, when there are competing options, they need to say out.

 

[Crissa]

I disagree one of the dangers all early adaptors risk is buying into tech that will dead end...

...And we all lose if that risk puts our health or economy at risk.

You're saying to just abandon 40% of the planned EV output in the US for the next two years.

Yeah, that's not alot of the total cars, about 5% over the next two years. That's a drop like the Great Recession caused among car sales.

-Crissa

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