Holy cow! Invite email just arrived. 1/17/24

[Mini2nut]

Elon stretches the truth like rubber band. He's a marketing master, nobody does it better. Just look at all of the Cybertruck teasers that built hype and anticipation leading up to the release.

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[Woodrick]

My model Y slams on the brakes at the same spot on a highway I use to get to work. Both of our Model Y's do it. It has almost caused rear-end accidents numerous times until I got used to it and realized what was going on. Now I click off autopilot before I get there or I over-ride with the accelerator. It seems kind of crazy to me because with all the data Tesla has, shouldn't they notice that every Tesla slams on its brakes at the exact same spot every time it goes past? And it does it in the opposite direction as well in the exact same spot. How could this not cause some sort of flag in the AI software? Silly and dangerous.

I totally understand what you are saying, and there's a lot of logic to it. But that's not the way that FSD works. Every time FSD drives the road, it's the first time. It doesn't learn from individual cars.
My suggestion is to get someone to watch the displays and see what is possibly happening. There's a couple of scenarios that can be occuring.

A common one is that the speed limit is changing. The open source map that Tesla uses is notorious for it. A road can be 55mph and all the sudden there's what seems to be a short 25mph segment that cause the car to slow.
Another is side stop signs. There are times that FSD can't determine which road the stop sign is for and decides to stop.
Another, especially if there is a turn lane is that the car things the "straight" is the turn lane.
But you know where the issue is and you know how to mitigate it. The product is still in beta and glitches are to be expected. If there were no glitches, then they'd release it.

But there are a LOT of things that it is doing now.

Multiple times I've been headed down a road and a delivery or postal vehicle is stopped, partially on the road. FSB Beta recognizes, slows, looks ahead and if there is no traffic, passes the vehicles, if there is traffic, it stops, waits for the traffic to pass and then passes the vehicle.

Last week, it travelled easily through a construction area, recognized that the turn lane that it needed to get into had cones and stayed out until the cones ended, at which time it took the left turn as was expected.

But yes, as the disclaimer indicates, it will do the worst thing at the worst time.
But I've driven 10s of thousands of miles with FSD, no accidents, no crashes, and I'm still in one piece.

 

[Woodrick]

Elon stretches the truth like rubber band. He's a marketing master, nobody does it better. Just look at all of the Cybertruck teasers that built hype and anticipation leading up to the release.

And he has proven that he is able to deliver, the undeliverable. Reusable rockets? The #1 selling car in the world is an EV?

Those were generally accepted as impossible a very few years ago.

 

[Mattsplat]

I totally understand what you are saying, and there's a lot of logic to it. But that's not the way that FSD works. Every time FSD drives the road, it's the first time. It doesn't learn from individual cars.
My suggestion is to get someone to watch the displays and see what is possibly happening. There's a couple of scenarios that can be occuring.

A common one is that the speed limit is changing. The open source map that Tesla uses is notorious for it. A road can be 55mph and all the sudden there's what seems to be a short 25mph segment that cause the car to slow.
Another is side stop signs. There are times that FSD can't determine which road the stop sign is for and decides to stop.
Another, especially if there is a turn lane is that the car things the "straight" is the turn lane.
But you know where the issue is and you know how to mitigate it. The product is still in beta and glitches are to be expected. If there were no glitches, then they'd release it.

But there are a LOT of things that it is doing now.

Multiple times I've been headed down a road and a delivery or postal vehicle is stopped, partially on the road. FSB Beta recognizes, slows, looks ahead and if there is no traffic, passes the vehicles, if there is traffic, it stops, waits for the traffic to pass and then passes the vehicle.

Last week, it travelled easily through a construction area, recognized that the turn lane that it needed to get into had cones and stayed out until the cones ended, at which time it took the left turn as was expected.

But yes, as the disclaimer indicates, it will do the worst thing at the worst time.
But I've driven 10s of thousands of miles with FSD, no accidents, no crashes, and I'm still in one piece.

It occurs just north of a bridge that you drive under. The speed limit doesn't change there is no indication whatsoever what us going on or why. It just tries to slow. The speed limit is 65 and at night when there was almost nobody around I let it keep braking to see what would happen, it made it all the way down to 35 miles per hour before I decided it would be bad to be going so slow at night so I over-rode it and sped up. I am familiar with the braking from speed changes. My inclination is that it is a glitch and it is trying to slow to the speed limit of the bridge overhead but the speed doesn't change on the display so I am not sure about this. But Tesla technology can be more dangerous than helpful sometimes and I wish there was a way to get it fixed. I wonder if and how many accidents have been caused in that spot because of Tesla software. I almost caused a couple when I first got our Model Y's, it happens suddenly and a couple bad drivers that were tailgating almost hit me and probably thought I was brake-checking them, which is dangerous and illegal.

 

[savagecabbage]

No chance that 80k people passed up. These are passionate owners and this site would be on fire if 80k got emails. I don't think it's random either. Some sort of regional distribution, Tesla current owners, miles, FSD users, etc. There's a method to the perceived madness. I am a current Tesla owner, bought 2 Model S's new, a day one 1127 reservation holder who's never had FSD that lives in Ohio. No email. I will buy when it comes, only the FSD pisses me off, a 10k fee to be early.

My guess is 2000-2500 FS models.

Absolutely! NFW there are 80000 invites, very narrow minded take. Ask me how I know this as a fact... I am in Fremont, I own a Model X, reserved a Tri-Motor with FSD on reveal night(within milliseconds of the configurator opening) and have the single lowest reservation number to be published on this forum(to my knowledge)... I DID NOT GET THE INVITE!

FYI
No there is nothing wrong with my account.... Yes I have the correct address... Yes I own TSLA stock, Yes I am a X premium checkmark, and NO, tesla service cannot "help". AND FINALLY I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE! So, NO, there are not 80k People that have received the invite, please stop this nonsense. Tesla is sending invites out in a way that NOBODY knows the complete reasoning. and since tesla has literally the worst customer service of any company known to have existed in modern times... good luck finding out anything.

 

[Woodrick]

It occurs just north of a bridge that you drive under. The speed limit doesn't change there is no indication whatsoever what us going on or why. It just tries to slow. The speed limit is 65 and at night when there was almost nobody around I let it keep braking to see what would happen, it made it all the way down to 35 miles per hour before I decided it would be bad to be going so slow at night so I over-rode it and sped up. I am familiar with the braking from speed changes. My inclination is that it is a glitch and it is trying to slow to the speed limit of the bridge overhead but the speed doesn't change on the display so I am not sure about this. But Tesla technology can be more dangerous than helpful sometimes and I wish there was a way to get it fixed. I wonder if and how many accidents have been caused in that spot because of Tesla software. I almost caused a couple when I first got our Model Y's, it happens suddenly and a couple bad drivers that were tailgating almost hit me and probably thought I was brake-checking them, which is dangerous and illegal.

Not sure if you caught my distinction.
I'm not asking if the speed limit changes, I'm getting you to check to see if the car thinks that it does. Bad map data is common.
Is there any indication on the screen as to why it is slowing? The car normally shows a lot of what it is doing in the center top of the left screen. It's just easy for drivers to miss.
Slowing of shadow braking is a very common thing.

But again, it's beta software. When you get the good, you have to live with the bad.

 

[Mattsplat]

Not sure if you caught my distinction.
I'm not asking if the speed limit changes, I'm getting you to check to see if the car thinks that it does. Bad map data is common.
Is there any indication on the screen as to why it is slowing? The car normally shows a lot of what it is doing in the center top of the left screen. It's just easy for drivers to miss.
Slowing of shadow braking is a very common thing.

But again, it's beta software. When you get the good, you have to live with the bad.

You just missed it. I said the speed doesn't change on the display.

 

[Woodrick]

You just missed it. I said the speed doesn't change on the display.

What about the road in the visualization and any "I'm doing this" notifications.

 

[intimidator]

Day 2 for me. This sucks but I can't justify $100k for this truck in its current form - which is what we're going to be getting if delivery is before March. I'll think about it overnight.

IMO $100,000 would be fine....if you had 440-450 miles of range (without an extender taking up the bed), dual motor, 11,000lbs towing, and faster charging speed. Hopefully you can charge at home most of the time, but you will be taking it on trips at some point where you will need to charge at a DCFC and who wants to take an hour to do that? Not at that price.

 

[U92]

Congrats! It seems to be moving faster. 11298s for me 2 reservations I believe I reserved it on nov 25th 2019. I wonder if it will be before summer I get the email... I feel like this might be one of the better times that I waited a few days. Anyone have an Idea? They seem to be moving fast. I was california but now Oregon. So tax free purchase is a plus.

 

[Dumb Game]

I certainly did not expect it yet. In CT 11283….
At long last the moment of next decisions has arrived. I , like many, am concerned about the initial issues that will inevitably be worked out eventually. Hopefully by the time mine arrives? I haven’t accepted yet so don’t know the estimated window. My head is still a bit spinning from seeing this in my inbox.

Lmao, don't stop now!

 

[Mattsplat]

What about the road in the visualization and any "I'm doing this" notifications.

Nope. Nothing. No ghost obstacles. No warnings, nothing. Just tries to come to a stop (assuming because I never let it get that slow).

 

[jookyone]

Instead that they’re not even going in plain sequential order (eg people in the 11283’s have received invites before even people in the 11274’s), which alone means that that knowing any one selected number cannot tell you the total number that’s been selected

From the data extracted and the community's general speculation of why there's a FS version

• The value proposition of an FS version would be easier justified by those that ordered FSD in 2019 (ie "I was gonna buy that anyways.")
• Tesla is likely trying to eliminate satisfy as many people who "locked in" FSD for $7k in 2019 by baking it into the price of an "exclusive package" to mitigate potential legal action and income loss from having to fulfill that promise (they also promised it would be more expensive and it is at $12k)
• Amongst our sample data, 86% of people invited to order FS CT also chose to order FSD in 2019 and fall into point one of this list

It seems easy to make the case that they are cherry picking FSD orders out of the "queue." I feel like even now, most people opt for the subscription FSD when buying new given the insanely promised and unmet expectation of FSD today (I did exactly that on a 2023 that I just took delivery of, despite my order of it in 2019).

"Fool me once." I was an idiot in 2019 believing in FSD and I ordered it. I've now ordered a Foundation Series CT in 2023 so apparently I haven't learned anything or become practical in 4 years. Especially bad on my part since the truck I'm purchasing that "has it included" quite literally does not at the time of purchase. But I'm sick of waiting. Need truck. Now.

 

[jookyone]

Elon stretches the truth like rubber band. He's a marketing master, nobody does it better. Just look at all of the Cybertruck teasers that built hype and anticipation leading up to the release.

Agree. I didn't believe in Santa or the Cybertruck until all of a sudden they were all over the streets and all over the world (Mexico and New Zealand) within what seemed like a month and then "immediately" available (relative to 4 years). You don't even have time to understand ones own disbelief and you can't buy that kind of FOMO. Brilliant.

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