Is the Foundation Series worth it?

[BayouCityBob]

Is there anyone who's been offered a Foundation Series who doesn't have a Powerwall?

If you already have a Powerwall then the $4000 PowerShare allowance is worthless.

I do not have a power wall or solar (I do have a 20kw General with a transfer switch!)

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[cyberwulf]

it’s just a new wall charger that has home backup enabled (allows reversal of current). Currently a wall charger is $500-$600. Mine cost $250 for my electrician to charge. But it was litteraly right next to my main panel.

so if you don’t have a wall charger already or have a long run to add one, that’s definitely a plus.

For me, I could buy the new home wall charger (how much more would they charge for this added home charge feature?). Based on OP’s calcs $1,000 more. So a $1,600 charger. I could literally install that myself as I already have the wiring ran.

Damnit, more and more reasons for me not to impulse buy the Fodation series

But now that I think of it, there has to be some additional special wiring an electrician has to do because I would think you can’t send power into your main panel through the same breaker that your charging circuit is on. Like there has to be another output power out of the charger that feeds the ENTIRE panel. So that idea does seem like an expensive install….

Reverse feed thru same breaker is ok. The issue is disconnecting your house from the incoming feed from the power co. , the laws vary state to state. It has to be automated same as when using solar / generator as back up power (vs permanent). It isn't cheap and most all electric companies have to approve, inspect and sign off on the installation

 

[Rutrow]

is that right?

Can you elaborate?

maybe @SolarWizard can cure me if this ignorance

From Tesla's PowerShare info page:

 

[swinefeaster]

I'm a 11277 reservation holder for a tri motor, haven't received any email invite yet. I have a model x non plaid right now that I got in late 2022, which I got since the roof of the 2010 Ford escape started leaking haha. I was hoping to at least break even with the ct after trading in the model x. It's got 18k miles on it. I might end up going for the dual instead of the tri, cause besides acceleration and fomo, I don't set the point of the extra costs.

 

[RIH]

how abut installation for POWERSHARE HOME BACKUP? for dual motor, didn't mention include installation fee

 

[MInnesooooooota]

Reverse feed thru same breaker is ok. The issue is disconnecting your house from the incoming feed from the power co. , the laws vary state to state. It has to be automated same as when using solar / generator as back up power (vs permanent). It isn't cheap and most all electric companies have to approve, inspect and sign off on the installation

Power from Solar and battery are different. Solar is a feed, battery is a draw.

 

[mrbulk]

The PowerShare feature is very enticing. In preparing for the zombie apocalypse, I have a large solar array and 3 powerwalls. Yet, having the huge Cybertruck battery available to bank and distribute the generated power back will give me a lot of flexibility when the zombies do come.

Now if the PowerShare feature was a paid for add on feature, much like FSD, it would really make the Foundation series a much more palatable expenditure.

As it is, I do expect the price to go down in the future. As mentioned previously, the S and X models are less expensive than a few years ago. But I have had those years of enjoyment driving those vehicles, and still enjoy them. If the CT drops in price in 4 years, I’ve have had 4 years of enjoyment. I’m not getting younger and I choose to seize the day.

Bravo. I am in the same (age outlook) boat as you and will take one as soon as they offer it to me, RN112787xxx. Carpe diem indeed.

Also don’t forget about the better build quality these initial trucks should have -

As Musk once said during an interview with Sandy Munro,
“Friends ask me, when should they buy a Tesla. Well, either buy it right at the beginning, or when production reaches a steady state," Musk said. "But during that production ramp, it's super hard to be in vertical climb mode and get everything right on the little details. It's just a super difficult thing."

Going by the latest factory videos where they admit they are running things as slow as one quarter speed, these initial Cybertrucks should be well built indeed.

 

[Celiboy]

The deal with FSD is that it's included in the Foundation Series ($12k). But I have FSD reserved for $7k, and with the Non-Foundation Series All-Wheel drive, it's under $80k, so I get the $7500 Tax credit, which makes the Truck $79,490 with FSD.

So you can look at it that both versions come with FSD included.

Now, its $20k difference for everything else besides FSD

I wouldn’t necessarily count on them honoring the $7K FSD price considering we’re excitedly overpaying for the truck generally. The value shouldn’t be based on what it could be worth 20 years from now unless you’re going to go over budget and make payments to drive it 2 miles on Sundays. Cars that fit that category are always low mileage in near new condition. What fun is that? None of use waited 4 years to find out we have to overpay then decided NOT to drive it. I want to say go for it but It’s always easy to spend other folks money lol. Try to find the balance between what your heart wants and what is best for your family. No point in having your dream truck if it causes you misery at home.

 

[CyberT]

I wouldn’t necessarily count on them honoring the $7K FSD price considering we’re excitedly overpaying for the truck generally. The value shouldn’t be based on what it could be worth 20 years from now unless you’re going to go over budget and make payments to drive it 2 miles on Sundays. Cars that fit that category are always low mileage in near new condition. What fun is that? None of use waited 4 years to find out we have to overpay then decided NOT to drive it. I want to say go for it but It’s always easy to spend other folks money lol. Try to find the balance between what your heart wants and what is best for your family. No point in having your dream truck if it causes you misery at home.

I admit that I didn’t see the big price increase for the different trims, I was in thaw camp of 10% higher prices than 4 years ago. But this time I am confident in Tesla honoring the FSD pricing from then because it literally said click here to guarantee this FSD price. I’m paraphrasing here but I’ve already decided that I’ve waited 6 years (waited 2 years prior to the CT event for Tesla to make a truck) already and I’m not willing to max out my budget for the next 6 years. So I will wait (hopefully not much longer) for the NON-Foundation series to launch

 

[Sandman1962]

I posted the following in a different thread in response to a member cancelling their Foundation series order. I feel it is appropriate to repost here:


This may (or may not) muddy the waters a little bit. For my 2018 Model X , I can purchase FSD for $6000. This is less than the $7000 and the $12000 price bandied about in all the discussions.

And why do I get this price? Because I have paid for “advanced auto pilot” in my original order. At times this price was up to $9000 and it dropped back down (I cannot recall if it ever dropped lower than $6000).

Not that I advocate it at all, but in light of all the discussion of whether the Foundation edition price makes sense, could “advanced auto pilot” be a required purchase before the $7000 FSD be honored (in non-Foundation models)?

Excuse me if this has already be explored and discussed to death.

 

[REM]

In my opinion, the foundation series is aimed squarely at Tesla enthusiasts. It will certainly depreciate far below MSRP in short order, and I doubt very seriously it will be any kind of collectors item after a couple decades (you would need to keep it in pristine condition, so that means covered in a garage and never drive it). If money is a concern, I recommend waiting.

Speaking of waiting, I suspect the non foundation dual motor reservation holders won't start seeing a trickle of deliveries until mid next year. Maybe even Q3/early Q4.

If you have the funds, the FS is worth it in my opinion so long as you plan on keeping the truck for more than a decade. If not, wait.

 

[Diveflyfish]

In my opinion, the foundation series is aimed squarely at Tesla enthusiasts. It will certainly depreciate far below MSRP in short order, and I doubt very seriously it will be any kind of collectors item after a couple decades (you would need to keep it in pristine condition, so that means covered in a garage and never drive it). If money is a concern, I recommend waiting.

Speaking of waiting, I suspect the non foundation dual motor reservation holders won't start seeing a trickle of deliveries until mid next year. Maybe even Q3/early Q4.

If you have the funds, the FS is worth it in my opinion so long as you plan on keeping the truck for more than a decade. If not, wait.

 

[REM]

Tesla's sale price lol. Come on you know what I'm referring to.

Also, there is an obvious loophole left in the order agreement that anyone can use if they really need it.

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