No reason to believe the Cybertruck shouldn’t perform as well.

[CyberGus]

I put on a jacket to clean out the fridge

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[Broski]

The problem is, it doesn't matter if it's an edge case. If it's recommended to charge to only 90% (which has recently changed to 80%, my app keeps warning me), and then you only get some fraction of that... I calculated 141 miles of actual range in winter on the highway in my model Y. And like, sure, it's not ideal conditions. But an average person doesn't know or care. All they know is the EPA says it gets "300 miles", and then it gets less than half of that.
Couple that with the fact that tesla (and to be fair, most manufacturers) don't really tell you the information that the car itself knows, it's hard to ignore the impact by saying it's an edge case. I can get in my model Y when it says 280 miles of range, and get 140. That's nuts. If they updated the dashboard range to be real miles, people would freak out thinking something is wrong. If you navigate somewhere, the car knows how much charge it will take to get there under the given conditions, but it won't tell you. It only displays it as a percentage, even if your range display is set to miles. Because they don't want people doing that math to see that it is costing them 250 miles of dashboard range to go 125 miles.

ICE vehicles just don't experience the same kind of losses, and even if they did, you don't care, because gas tanks are bigger than 3-4 gallons (which is the equivalent of a li-ion pack in an EV)

Exactly this! Very well stated.
I am by no means banging on Tesla, who electric vehicles I am, in fact, what I would consider an early adopter
I am sharing an experience that even as an early adopter and making considerations like giving myself an extra 50% buffer for bad conditions barely gets me home it’s some thing that we should not simply brush off or ignore because that’s why you have a ton of people thinking These range numbers are fine and are now stranded in the first cold spell in Chicago because they’ve not understood or accounted for some of the trade-offs of where we are today in electric vehicles

I plan to continue to drive my 91,000 mile model three until at least 200,000 miles unless there some reason to believe reliability becomes an issue which for me it has not it’s been a wonderful car but I will definitely account for range and some of the conditions I push it in in the winter

 

[Cybergirl]

People who have driven an ICE car or truck all their life, understandably, have an ICEV mindset. When they buy an EV, they don't automatically adopt an EV mindset. They make all kinds of mistakes and get themselves into trouble. Just look at the news out of Chicago recently. It takes a year or more to change expectations and develop new driving habits. Once the EV transition is complete, few will go back to driving an ICE. Human's are incredibly adaptive, while at the same time incredibly resistant to change.

 

[PilotPete]

I put on a jacket to clean out the fridge

My wife says that the refrigerated section of Costco where they keep all the dairy is my "happy place". I turn on the A/C at 72. Must be a pilot thing @Callsign_Vega. Then again, I used to make my co-pilot put on a sweater in the summer when we flew.

 

[PilotPete]

People who have driven an ICE car or truck all their life, understandably, have an ICEV mindset. When they buy an EV, they don't automatically adopt an EV mindset. They make all kinds of mistakes and get themselves into trouble. Just look at the news out of Chicago recently. It takes a year or more to change expectations and develop new driving habits. Once the EV transition is complete, few will go back to driving an ICE. Human's are incredibly adaptive, while at the same time incredibly resistant to change.

So, would you all please clarify what I am assuming? It appears to me that when it is cold, the current models use the BMS and heat pump to manage the temps within the battery pack, cooling or heating as needed. Therefore, a fully conditioned heat pump equipped Tesla in frigid temps gets the batteries up to temp and therefore minimizes the impact to the range of frigid temps to the range. Am I understanding the BMS correctly?

 

[HaulingAss]

I just gave an example of 50% range that I experienced last week. I disclosed it is heavy load scenario due to winter tires, weather, etc. Also, a lot of headlines and reality of Teslas running out of juice in Chicago due to cold. So you’re telling me I’m lying and this is all fabricated?

I find the people saying there is no downside to electric either do not own or depend on it, or are the ones lying with the agenda

Oh no, range loss in the cold is real, it's just a matter of how much there really is when operated by an experienced EV motorist and whether the range loss is a big deal or a big nothing burger.

There's a lot of fake news out there. And even real reports by people too ignorant to know what they are doing. In Scandanavian countries people know how to deal with cold weather. And every year they have the highest EV adoption rates in the world. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that EVs work just fine in bitter cold weather. You need to know what you're doing to run gas or diesel at those temperatures too.

 

[CyberGus]

So, would you all please clarify what I am assuming? It appears to me that when it is cold, the current models use the BMS and heat pump to manage the temps within the battery pack, cooling or heating as needed. Therefore, a fully conditioned heat pump equipped Tesla in frigid temps gets the batteries up to temp and therefore minimizes the impact to the range of frigid temps to the range. Am I understanding the BMS correctly?

Even models without a heat pump will manage the pack temperature, but yeah.

The worst-case scenario is in taking short trips where there's not enough time to get the pack warm, particularly when you started cold; conversely, setting a "departure time" will have the charging session end right at that time, and the battery will already be warmed by shore power.

 

[Cybergirl]

So, would you all please clarify what I am assuming? It appears to me that when it is cold, the current models use the BMS and heat pump to manage the temps within the battery pack, cooling or heating as needed. Therefore, a fully conditioned heat pump equipped Tesla in frigid temps gets the batteries up to temp and therefore minimizes the impact to the range of frigid temps to the range. Am I understanding the BMS correctly?

Yes, that is my understanding. Keeping the car plugged in will also ensure that the battery is maintained at the set SoC.

 

[pricedm]

My real world experience in a 2018 model three with 91,000 miles just cold weather has a pretty big impact. Full charges now 275 miles.
Last week I went to the ski hill 55 miles away with the charge of 215 miles thinking I had plenty of range since it’s 110 miles round trip.
I barely made it home with 15 miles to spare and an hour and a half of range anxiety on the return.
Definitely a worse case scenario as it was 25° snow on the roads the whole way I run dedicated Nokian snow tires. That said I was not really going that fast and was still quite surprised to see a 50% range under these conditions next time I’ll just need to top it off before heading out in those conditions.

12/31/2023 on my way to Winter Park, CO, I topped out on Berthoud pass around 9p, 17*F, 4 miles of range, 11 miles to destination. Regen got me up to 10 miles (?) of range when I arrived. Plugged into L2 charger (+12 miles per hour, lowly 16A charger), activated Camp mode, and slept well. Driving uphill with watt/mile consumption pegged at the top of the consumption graph+ single digit range projected was a bit stressful, but all worked out. Nokian Haka R5 EV on a 2023 Model Y.

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