Non FS what if.

[Gurule92]

*$295 All-Weather interior liners
* $115 Glass roof sunshade
*$40 Center console tray
*$45 Gear locker dividers
*$40 Vault D-rings
*$25 L-track hooks
*$25 L-track bottle opener
$1,000 White decor (current Tesla upcharge from black to white interior) Gray door panels, please!

*$0-$4,000 20 inch Cyberwheels with 35 inch tires; likely will trade my Core rims with all season Pirelli tires to another forum member for their Cyberwheels. Who knows, might end up with both wheel sets.

*$7,000 FSD
*$500 Lifetime premium connectivity ($100 per year; 5 years until I sell my 2024-2025 Cybertruck for a 2029 - 2030)

*$600 Powershare home charger (I currently have a 80a Gen 2).
*$230 Powershare mobile connector (assuming this is different from my 2018 Model 3 mobile connector)
*$1,000 - $2,000 est. Powershare/Powerwall v3 gateway so I can use my Cybertruck as a whole-house back-up.

Total: 100% of my federal + state tax credits, plus additional cash.
Net cost: approx. $85k for non-FS Dual Motor Cybertruck

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[Gurule92]

We’re not debating value but let’s get our facts straight. With your 26% increase of pricing at release, the numbers are as shown:

Trim 2019 26%. 2024
RWD. $39,900. $50,274 $57,390
AWD. $49,900. $62,874. $76,390
Tri. $69,900. $88,074. $96,390

Baseline to baseline comparison. Doesn’t look like a 100% increase when you compare apples to apples.
Regardless, buy what you can comfortably afford, I’m sure they will all drive the same (except the speed and off road capabilities)

Going on 4 months with my AWD and it gets better each day, regardless of how many I see on the road now in Ca (4 today, two wrapped, two OG) ?

And those prices have estimated savings built in

 

[Adrenalinwill]

And those prices have estimated savings built in

? Ok, you be you ??

 

[jerhenderson]

I don’t think Tesla intentionally screwed customers. I admire Tesla for all the great things that they build, but pricing CT is one thing they got terribly wrong. The current pricing is justified in terms of what it takes to build one, but an important part of releasing any product is to have a good understanding of how much it’ll cost to mass produce a vehicle. If you are optimistic about it, that’s fine too. In this case the price got doubled. That’s way more optimistic. As Elon himself has said multiple times, it’s easy to prototype but volume production is a very tiring job. They should have done a good job of estimating what it takes to volume produce the vehicle. They had 4 years to figure it out. 2X price increase is way off the estimation. Inflation is not 20% every year. On top of that he said it’s still priced low. Being realistic with price is a very important part of running a business. The only reason Tesla is getting away is because they have built an incredible product, so owners are cutting some slack.

It doesn’t matter whether someone has disposable money or not. You can justify how 20K-30K is worth the experience, but that’s still money that could have been invested. Wouldn’t you want the same experience with $50K savings? Don’t you love buying more stuff for $50K? You could have purchased Beast and did crazy mods for $100K.

We can sit and justify the current price all day long, but Tesla got the pricing wrong in 2019. Period!

It's not the same vehicle, nevermind the global events that no one could have predicted. If you want to criticize current prices based on those 2 points alone, you aren't being realistic. Read the reservation agreement. 'Subject to change.'

 

[Gurule92]

? Ok, you be you ??

Well you don't get gas savings if you already have an EV. So using the estimated gas savings price doesn't really make sense but you can use that for your decisions if you want

 

[Adrenalinwill]

Well you don't get gas savings if you already have an EV. So using the estimated gas savings price doesn't really make sense but you can use that for your decisions if you want

I hope Tesla strips down the Cybertruck the way Ford strips down the F150 Raptor to the base F150. You get what you pay for.

 

[Cyber Man]

We’re not debating value but let’s get our facts straight. With your 26% increase of pricing at release, the numbers are as shown:

Trim 2019 26%. 2024
RWD. $39,900. $50,274 $57,390
AWD. $49,900. $62,874. $76,390
Tri. $69,900. $88,074. $96,390

Baseline to baseline comparison. Doesn’t look like a 100% increase when you compare apples to apples.
Regardless, buy what you can comfortably afford, I’m sure they will all drive the same (except the speed and off road capabilities)

Going on 4 months with my AWD and it gets better each day, regardless of how many I see on the road now in Ca (4 today, two wrapped, two OG) ?

I don’t think 2019 prices were based on “probable savings”. Apples to apples it’s $49K to $79K (60% increase) or FS $100K (100% increase).

Anyways, looks like we can come up with all possible reasoning to justify current price. As I said earlier, the current price is justified. No need to see the “subject to change” fine print or Raptor price or inflation or Covid supply chain issues or upgraded specs. They have hands down built the best vehicle on the planet. Tesla got pricing wrong in 2019, and now it’s correct. Demand for CT is high. I just hope they don’t increase the price further to compensate the loss they are incurring even with the current high price. ?

 

[Adrenalinwill]

I don’t think 2019 prices were based on “probable savings”. Apples to apples it’s $49K to $79K (60% increase) or FS $100K (100% increase).

Anyways, looks like we can come up with all possible reasoning to justify current price. As I said earlier, the current price is justified. No need to see the “subject to change” fine print or Raptor price or inflation or Covid supply chain issues or upgraded specs. They have hands down built the best vehicle on the planet. Tesla got pricing wrong in 2019, and now it’s correct. Demand for CT is high. I just hope they don’t increase the price further to compensate the loss they are incurring even with the current high price. ?

They need the $60K Cybertruck to be profitable. Like the F150 base compared to the Raptor R, the base Cybertruck will still look somewhat like the FS and drive like it, just slower and with less options. No adjustable air suspension would be a huge one. One of the best features, what a shame.

 

[NightOwl]

I don’t think 2019 prices were based on “probable savings”. Apples to apples it’s $49K to $79K (60% increase) or FS $100K (100% increase).

Anyways, looks like we can come up with all possible reasoning to justify current price. As I said earlier, the current price is justified. No need to see the “subject to change” fine print or Raptor price or inflation or Covid supply chain issues or upgraded specs. They have hands down built the best vehicle on the planet. Tesla got pricing wrong in 2019, and now it’s correct. Demand for CT is high. I just hope they don’t increase the price further to compensate the loss they are incurring even with the current high price. ?

I agree with almost all of what you said. However, it’s not apples to apples to include the FS model. As I said earlier, it’s not the same configuration as the base model.
Otherwise, nicely said!

 

[Gurule92]

I hope Tesla strips down the Cybertruck the way Ford strips down the F150 Raptor to the base F150. You get what you pay for.

They won't lol. It'll be the same truck as FS but better. (Minus the extras)

 

[Adrenalinwill]

They won't lol. It'll be the same truck as FS but better. (Minus the extras)

? Guess I’ll have to buy two more

 

[HaulingAss]

It's not the same vehicle, nevermind the global events that no one could have predicted. If you want to criticize current prices based on those 2 points alone, you aren't being realistic. Read the reservation agreement. 'Subject to change.'

That is what people are missing. The Cybertruck comes with a lot of features that weren't originally envisioned (and left out some that Tesla hadn't fully thought through).

There is certainly plenty of valid criticism that stems from the fact that the Cybertruck project was really only active for 3 months before the reveal in November 2019 and the design and included features morphed over the development. Tesla hadn't fully thought out the implications of the 3500 lb. payload capacity on tire choices, suspension and damping considerations, etc. Tesla also didn't fully analyze the implications of having a ramp built into the tailgate. So, in these ways, we got less.

But the Cybertruck that was announced did not envision cooled and ventilated seats, steer-by-wire and four-wheel steering. During the development process they realized their original idea of just a big, tough, basic truck would have too many downsides for too many potential buyers. It's lack of maneuverability and nimbleness would limit its appeal. At some point after the reveal, Elon announced the Cybertruck would be an insane technology bandwagon, demonstrating many future automotive technologies. Tesla was going to use the Cybertruck to develop the car of the future. 48V system voltage, steer-by-wire, etc. I think Tesla upped the chromium content of the stainless shell (above what was originally envisioned) to make it even more resistant to corrosion and easier to care for (that would increase material costs).

Yes, the price did balloon due to a number of factors, some of which were out of Tesla's control and others were due to a deliberate moving the bar higher and the fact that the original prices were optimistic to begin with. What we got 5 years later is a much better product, at a much higher price.

Having been using the Cybertruck for the last two months and over 1800 miles, about 1/3 or more of that off-road, I am over the moon with it's capabilities. It's a bang-up good driver on the road and it truly impresses in the backcountry. No other vehicle in the world can come close to matching this combination of capabilities/range of uses. The hard stainless shell is also incredibly useful, especially off-road, and easy to care for. The narrative that it's troublesome to care for is inexplicable to me.

Had GM or Ford decided to make a truck this nice, this advanced, this tough, and this capable, it would have taken over a decade of development, and they would have to price it at $150K or more. It would be a colossal failure. Instead, Tesla is putting their nose to the grindstone and figuring out how to bring us a lot more for less. It's a win for the environment, a win for consumers and it will be a win for Tesla if they can continue to increase production efficiencies.

People who think it's overpriced don't have a clue what they are talking about. It's not just a legacy truck with unique styling, it's radically better, right down to its core. And its pretty amazing Tesla was able to achieve this with their first iteration of a truck. They really did hit it out of the park!

 

[Crissa]

$80k is still $30k more than I signed up for. I've never even bought a vehicle for more than $30k!

I don't know when or if I'll be able to swing that. It depends on things outside my control.

I think alot of reservations are that way, but dropping the price $20k to $80k will still get them alot more buyers.

-Crissa

 

[TripleB]

All Teslas have always gotten better and cheaper as time goes by. It just depends on how bad you want it right now or soon.

 

[Crissa]

Do you believe they sat in their ivory towers in Silicon Valley and Texas and thought, “gosh how can we really screw our customers? I know! Let’s mark up everything and really screw ‘em!.”

The only reason it's not bait and switch is that Tesla told us the order they've be delivered in wasn't set in stone, and they've kept our orders open during the intervening time.

Remember, it was their duty to estimate inflation and cost increases in the intervening time, through delivery dates.

Higher than expected inflation and the change in federal incentives does give them a little leeway.

Second key part : subject to change.

Read your reservation agreement.

That's not a defense. Any changes would have to be reasonable. Doubling the price is definitely not.

-Crissa

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