North American Charging Standard - Tesla opening the door!

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This should have been done a decade ago.

Tesla's connector is obviously superior to CCS in a ton of ways. But Tesla missed the timing on this for truly opening the standards (not just paying lip service to "working with other makers") until CCS has gotten way too much of a toe hold in the mind of the SAE, OEMs, the public, etc. And CCS is now ahead of Tesla standard in terms of actually having published methods and means for bidirectional DC charging, whereas Tesla's is _still_ "coming soon".

We need to be moving toward a single standard. Fragmentation of charging infrastructure is holding EVS back in a huge way in North America. I applaud Tesla for making bold moves to create the Supercharger network when other OEMs couldn't even spell EV. However, the timing of this smells like trying to get their fingers in the NEVI money pie, not "advancing the shift to electrification". I want to be wrong on this. I want this publishing to be a domino falling on the way for reputable 3rd party Tesla to CCS and CCS to Tesla adapters. But I highly doubt it. My gut feeling says this has just kept us in VHS vs Betamax land for an additional 3-5 years longer than we would have been otherwise.
 

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This should have been done a decade ago.

Tesla's connector is obviously superior to CCS in a ton of ways. But Tesla missed the timing on this for truly opening the standards (not just paying lip service to "working with other makers") until CCS has gotten way too much of a toe hold in the mind of the SAE, OEMs, the public, etc. And CCS is now ahead of Tesla standard in terms of actually having published methods and means for bidirectional DC charging, whereas Tesla's is _still_ "coming soon".

We need to be moving toward a single standard. Fragmentation of charging infrastructure is holding EVS back in a huge way in North America. I applaud Tesla for making bold moves to create the Supercharger network when other OEMs couldn't even spell EV. However, the timing of this smells like trying to get their fingers in the NEVI money pie, not "advancing the shift to electrification". I want to be wrong on this. I want this publishing to be a domino falling on the way for reputable 3rd party Tesla to CCS and CCS to Tesla adapters. But I highly doubt it. My gut feeling says this has just kept us in VHS vs Betamax land for an additional 3-5 years longer than we would have been otherwise.
Betamax was better
 

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Old guys discussing video tape formats 40 years later. I vote laserdisc.

I think the main reason Tesla has not sold V2X is because it undermines their Powerwall market. Thats it. But now that there is more competition they will likely adopt it faster otherwise it might also impact car sales. The feature is a must IMHO and opportunities huge for creating a transition to sustainable energy.
 


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Tesla's North American Charging Standard - All Technical Information Explained!
@Kyle Conner and @Branden Flasch sit down to talk about the new Tesla North American Charging Standard and break down all of the nerdy details for you!
Nov 12, 2022
Out of Spec Podcast

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There may be reliability problems with the mechanical design of CCS charging components (plug, receptacle, cable).


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Electric cars are doomed if fast charger reliability doesn’t get better If every driver has a horror story about charging, adoption is going to stall.
By Jonathan M. Gitlin
7/13/2022
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/0...f-fast-charger-reliability-doesnt-get-better/

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The charging company representative told me to hold the CCS charging handle up once it was connected to the car rather than let the weight of the cable pull it down. The CCS cable and handle are hefty old things, much larger than the more elegant Supercharger plug. I'm beginning to think it's too heavy, or maybe carmakers are not making their charge ports robust enough, because I think a lot of these communication errors come from the plug weighing down and one or more pins losing their connection.


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Heavy CCS connector solution (EA stations)
https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/heavy-ccs-connector-solution-ea-stations.39653/

AZBILL
Jul 28, 2021
I came up with a simple solution to the EA heavy charging cable, the PVC pipe adapter was $8 at Lowes. Then use a jig saw or sabre saw to make a groove. Has worked every time, so far.

micantony
Aug 2, 2019
2019 Chevy Bolt LT
I crafted a similar support. I thought it was a clever idea.
"Gizmo" to secure heavy EA charging cables/plug

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DC charging questions
Nov 08, 2015
https://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=575&start=30

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JoulesThief
Own: VW e-Golf
Dec 08, 2017
..... General Motors, and Chevy Bolt use CCS type of charger handle also. Lower manufacturing costs.

I can tell you though, that I once found it a bitch to plug in a CCS in a pitch dark parking lot at the Los Angeles Zoo at night. The cable is quite heavy, and there's no way to see at night a black handle going into a black port, with no available lighting to see that everything is aligned.

The CCS cable is really quite heavy also, and pulls downwards heavily on the charge port on the e-Golf. The charge port has to support the weight of the cable and handle while charging.... Not in my opinion a good design.

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Chevrolet Bolt EV and Spark EV Charging Port Issues and Corrections
By Eric Way
Nov 13 2019
https://www.torquenews.com/8861/chevrolet-bolt-ev-and-spark-ev-charging-port-issues-and-corrections

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Conclusion Regardless of what, exactly, is preventing Chevy Spark EV and Chevy Bolt EV from activating public DC fast charging sessions, the CCS ports that GM is using on its electric vehicles need to be redesigned. Whether this is installing the CCS port at a slight angle to better support the weight of heavier charging cords or improving the sizing and tolerances of the charging port itself, GM needs to address this. In fact, GM should actually notify owners that they should be supporting heavier charging cables when initiating a new charging session, though they might be reluctant to acknowledge this issue if they feel it will open them to liability or recalls.

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wyldstallionesquire
2022Sept
> Avid Voter · How? I've literally never noticed anything annoying about CCS.
My sister has RA and CCS is a pain compared to the Tesla connector 3
The cable needs to be jiggled to get it into place and sometimes you have to take it out and try it again for it to connect correctly.
BTW, RA, “A chronic inflammatory disorder affecting many joints, including those in the hands and feet.”

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This my friends, illustrates how ridiculously oversized CCS actually is.
Posted by u/Radium
2022Sept

Below is CSS Combo-1 (U.S.) DC plug with Tesla adapter




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I'd love the North American Charging Standard (NACS) to become a world standard. With Voltage at somewhere between 900V and 1000V and peak current at over 900Amps - I think that will keep us happy for quite a few years. I've always assumed that the Cybertruck would be an800 Volt (or better) system. The connector is simply so much better than CCS/CCS2! Tesla should have completely opened this connector a few years ago. I'm also pretty sure that the Cybertruck will include V2x - and as I already have a Victron based solar system - no Cybertruck to Powerwall competition with me. I'll probably buy a Victron Car charger for home - as it works well with the rest of my Victron system.
 

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Ask Munro E1: Tesla Opens the North American Charging Standard
We started a new series dedicated to answering fan questions! In this first episode, Scott discusses the implications of Tesla's recent announcement.
Nov 18, 2022
Munro Live

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