On-board power is amazing! And surprisingly long lasting.

[GuyV]

There's no money to be made with this fake competition, except marketing guys getting paid to justify dumb ideas. That doesn't mean they will actually make more money by pretending to compete against big batteries. Just because marketing thinks something is competition doesn't mean it actually is.

The only real competition is in 'what fits in your cargo space' between like a Jackery or Ecoflow and a low-end generator. But Tesla doesn't make those. And DeWalt makes both these batteries and the licensed generators: Their license deal competes with their own product.

And DeWalt doesn't make home integrated generators, at all... And those actually work *better* with an integrated battery no matter what they are.

We agree technically, because it's true. Marketing is often silly. Generators and batteries work better together. A good battery set up means never wasting fuel idling the generator; a good generation set up means you don't need more battery than you can afford/is available. That's why I made the chocolate-peanut butter comparison. They don't really compete (someone buying one won't be happy with the other), and they're better together.

-Crissa

You're really stretching now.

Offering a variety of products is now competing with yourself? LOL

Not actually manufacturing the products you put you brand on has practically become the standard these days. That's marketing, and it's very very profitable. Ask Apple.

Whether a battery, battery+inverter, a fossil fuel generator or some combination is more efficient is totally a matter of your use case.

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[Crissa]

Hey, Guy, you were the one saying batteries competed with generators.

-Crissa

 

[GuyV]

Hey, Guy, you were the one saying batteries competed with generators.

-Crissa

Yes, they do. That's why DeWalt offers a choice. That's why Cybertruck is among their competition and it would be foolish of them to feature it in their ads. When Tesla offers a choice of Model Y vs Model 3 it is not competing with itself, it is competing with other automakers. Like I said, I guess capitalism just isn't your thing.

 

[Crissa]

Yes, they do. That's why DeWalt offers a choice. That's why Cybertruck is among their competition and it would be foolish of them to feature it in their ads. When Tesla offers a choice of Model Y vs Model 3 it is not competing with itself, it is competing with other automakers. Like I said, I guess capitalism just isn't your thing.

...And why the Cybertruck is not among their competition and anyone who thinks is foolish is looking in a mirror.

A 9kW, 120kWh, self-propelled battery just doesn't cross shop with a licensed jobsite generators from 2-8kW. And something that uses fuel really shouldn't cross-shop with a battery. They're just too different.

I say this with reality: Marketing people have to convince you their job is important. And it is! But their job is to create cloying BS.

-Crissa

 

[GuyV]

...And why the Cybertruck is not among their competition and anyone who thinks is foolish is looking in a mirror.

A 9kW, 120kWh, self-propelled battery just doesn't cross shop with a licensed jobsite generators from 2-8kW. And something that uses fuel really shouldn't cross-shop with a battery. They're just too different.

I say this with reality: Marketing people have to convince you their job is important. And it is! But their job is to create cloying BS.

-Crissa

Yep, totally out of touch with the capitalist market system. What do you think powers Google, Facebook, Amazon and most everything else? LOLOL

It's not about cross-shopping. Having DeWalt stuff doesn't mean you don't need a Cybertruck, but owning a Cybertruck eliminates the need to spend even more money for DeWalt generators or batteries (when you have 123kWh of them), and to store, transport and maintain them.

I know this from personal experience. For about 10 years I've used Greenworks cordless lawn equipment and when an inverter became available I bought one, and it has come in handy a few times to power an LED lamp, a fan and charge my phone and laptop for intermittent use. It works because I have accumulated several of those batteries over time. When the tornado came down my street though, the Cybertruck powered all that continuously for 3 days, along with my refrigerator, microwave and coffee maker. It is a more powerful and higher capacity power source than anything DeWalt sells. The 120V hand-vac I have for instance is far more capable than any of the cordless ones I've owned.

I have bought DeWalt batteries, chargers, an inverter, and a nice case for them, at birthdays for my brother-in-law. Their marketing is pretty darn good, always tempting you with something, but he drives a Chevy Traverse.

This discussion is about whether it would be good for DeWalt to include Cybertruck in its ads. It would not.

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