Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

Hey gigahorse, honest question, do you own a Tesla or an EV for that matter?

It seems to me you are posting all these estimates of " real world range" as a way to get information out there but it is mistaken for reliable real world range tests. Let's all be honest here, these are all winter range tests.

It seems to me like there is confusion about what EPA and real world range means or at least it's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, EPA range is an ideal scenario and that is the case not only with EV but also with my previous ICE cars (Corolla, MB C230, MB ML350, VW GLI). We all know that winter driving the decreases EV range 20 to 30% and that decrease in range is not linear to temperature but actually exponential. We have only seeing a handful of these so-called warm weather tests with a temperature around 70 or 75 and even those are still winter tests because temperature overnight is lower, pavement temperature is lower, tire temperature is lower etc.

Take my two current cars for example, my wives model X has an advertised epa range of 265 mi and we can usually get 255 mi on road trips but right now and even during summer her consumption is somewhere between 500 and 550 watts per mile , if you extrapolate that it would give her a range of 160 to 200 mi of "real world range "at best. My model S currently and even during summer has a consumption between 400 and 450 Watts per mile, if you extrapolate that it would only give me 220 to 240 Miles of " real world range" but during trips I get between 290 and 320 mi based on an advertised EPA range of $310. Winter driving still applies, if I take those trips during winter time then I take a 20 to 30% hit on range.

I see nothing wrong with all these tests being published out there, they are pretty much what I expected them to be at this point. I think there is a lot of over interpreting what you post as reliable range tests, I'm not sure what the real purpose of your posts are and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are trying to get "reliable" information out there. But I can see other people's opinions about your posts, sometimes they do read as FUD .

Fair question. Without giving a full biography I do not currently own a Tesla, I have about 1,000-1,500 miles driving Model Y and 3s, also some ride time in an X. I have a day 2 reservation for a CT and have been waiting, impatiently for 4 years. Up until about a week ago the amount of info on the CT was next to 0 compared to now, I had an injury that has unfortunately trapped me in inside and in front of a computer for a couple weeks. With that excess screen time I have found a good chunk of info that was "new" and posted on this forum and a couple other places I contribute to. I have also had the good fortune of knowing and getting some access to some folks that got some VERY early access to the vehicles and was given the "OK" to share some of that info.

I think a lot of nuance and context can be lost through text be it on a forum or via a text message to someone. If you read that text assuming a negative connotation it will come off that way, or the opposite is true.

In my case there has been a mixed bag on the CT, some joy and elation with things like steer by wire and the increased acceleration, along with some disappointment with some things like the FS pricing and the announcement that the max EPA range for the cybertruck would be 340 as opposed to 500+.

In general how you are perceived by some who have a bit of a tribal mindset is as follows:
"The steer by wire and rear wheel steering are truly amazing" = "Sure are buddy!"
"It is a shame that the rear window does not roll down, would have loved that" = "They may add that later, you are a troll!"

I get it, people are mentally and financially invested in the CT, I am also. But after being starved for information for 4+ years I am just absorbing, sharing some, and processing the info that is currently coming in. I believe the VAST majority of the range/trip reports have had not only wh/mile but also total miles and kwh, so not taking a 2 mile trip that consisted of 8 "launches" and only snipping the 1,300 wh/mile portion. With the miles/kwh/wh/mile it is FAR from perfect but people can get a general ideal where the CT is going to be. Every person drives differently but having SOME info at this point I think is helpful as opposed to "just wait until you take delivery to find out". Especially for those trying to make a decision on the range extender.
Your examples of the advertised vs what you get I think are in line with a lot of drivers, and I am sure after looking at 10+ range reports you at least have a ballpark idea of what you should get, that is really the only goal of sharing that info.

Some range reports I have shared have had a LOT of info, some have had less, some have been as little as 90 miles but others have been well over 500, so with the combination of those, understanding it is Dec/Jan people should be able to get a general idea.
I also try not to repost stuff that is out/known and all over the forums (rear seat room).

I have had people reach out via DMs and comments that appreciate the info that sometimes is not readily accessible, so for me personally that balances out the people who assume because I post a screenshot of a trip report showing over 500 wh/mile for 500 miles that "I hate Tesla and am a short seller here to bankrupt Tesla"

Probably more than you care to know but your question was well written and very polite so I wanted to give you a thorough answer.

Thanks,
Gigahorse
Day 2 reservation holder, waiting on a CT and more info about them.

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[Gigahorse]

To me, real world range means that I get 200 mi on my model S being aggressive, 150 mi being aggressive in winter time or real world could mean that I get 320 mi on a summer road trip.

So in that case my car has an estimated real world range of 150 to 320 mi. Not really helpful is it?

I would say that by no means perfect, but nonetheless helpful, especially for folks out there that have not driven an EV.
If someone has an idea of the high/best or low/worst they can factor in their own driving habits, environment, etc and get a best/worst case.

 

[TeslaFANa]

Fair question. Without giving a full biography I do not currently own a Tesla, I have about 1,000-1,500 miles driving Model Y and 3s, also some ride time in an X. I have a day 2 reservation for a CT and have been waiting, impatiently for 4 years. Up until about a week ago the amount of info on the CT was next to 0 compared to now, I had an injury that has unfortunately trapped me in inside and in front of a computer for a couple weeks. With that excess screen time I have found a good chunk of info that was "new" and posted on this forum and a couple other places I contribute to. I have also had the good fortune of knowing and getting some access to some folks that got some VERY early access to the vehicles and was given the "OK" to share some of that info.

I think a lot of nuance and context can be lost through text be it on a forum or via a text message to someone. If you read that text assuming a negative connotation it will come off that way, or the opposite is true.

In my case there has been a mixed bag on the CT, some joy and elation with things like steer by wire and the increased acceleration, along with some disappointment with some things like the FS pricing and the announcement that the max EPA range for the cybertruck would be 340 as opposed to 500+.

In general how you are perceived by some who have a bit of a tribal mindset is as follows:
"The steer by wire and rear wheel steering are truly amazing" = "Sure are buddy!"
"It is a shame that the rear window does not roll down, would have loved that" = "They may add that later, you are a troll!"

I get it, people are mentally and financially invested in the CT, I am also. But after being starved for information for 4+ years I am just absorbing, sharing some, and processing the info that is currently coming in. I believe the VAST majority of the range/trip reports have had not only wh/mile but also total miles and kwh, so not taking a 2 mile trip that consisted of 8 "launches" and only snipping the 1,300 wh/mile portion. With the miles/kwh/wh/mile it is FAR from perfect but people can get a general ideal where the CT is going to be. Every person drives differently but having SOME info at this point I think is helpful as opposed to "just wait until you take delivery to find out". Especially for those trying to make a decision on the range extender.
Your examples of the advertised vs what you get I think are in line with a lot of drivers, and I am sure after looking at 10+ range reports you at least have a ballpark idea of what you should get, that is really the only goal of sharing that info.

Some range reports I have shared have had a LOT of info, some have had less, some have been as little as 90 miles but others have been well over 500, so with the combination of those, understanding it is Dec/Jan people should be able to get a general idea.
I also try not to repost stuff that is out/known and all over the forums (rear seat room).

I have had people reach out via DMs and comments that appreciate the info that sometimes is not readily accessible, so for me personally that balances out the people who assume because I post a screenshot of a trip report showing over 500 wh/mile for 500 miles that "I hate Tesla and am a short seller here to bankrupt Tesla"

Probably more than you care to know but your question was well written and very polite so I wanted to give you a thorough answer.

Thanks,
Gigahorse
Day 2 reservation holder, waiting on a CT and more info about them.

First off, so sorry to hear about your injury, hope you recover quick and well.

I agree wholeheartedly with your response, I think this information is helpful and more so for someone like you or me who have fair experience driving electric cars because we can put it into perspective. I think there are a lot of non-EV owners in the forum waiting for their cybertruck and when they see a headline that reads " 178 miles of range for AWD cyber truck after many real world tests" they freak out because they don't have the right perspective to interpret the data. That's where I think some people get aggravated, they read too much into the title of the thread instead of taking the data in it and interpreting it as they see fit.

 

[Crissa]

Here's wishing you a speedy recovery, Gigahorse.

And not because you posted a bunch of posts conflating EPA with freeway range. I've managed to injure both shoulders, both knees, and an ankle, twice, in the last few years (most unrelated to learning how to ride a motorcycle!) so I understand having too much screen time.

It's just important to keep these numbers in perspective. A truck expects to lose alot of range from it going faster than 55, or from it being cold, and these numbers are multipliers.

-Crissa

 

[Gigahorse]

Here's wishing you a speedy recovery, Gigahorse.

And not because you posted a bunch of posts conflating EPA with freeway range. I've managed to injure both shoulders, both knees, and an ankle, twice, in the last few years (most unrelated to learning hot to ride a motorcycle!) so I understand having too much screen time.

It's just important to keep these numbers in perspective. A truck expects to lose alot of range from it going faster than 55, or from it being cold, and these numbers are multipliers.

-Crissa

Yea MPG and wh/mile have so many variables, weight, wind, temp, speed, aero, acceleration, etc. Glad we are getting some data in as these trucks start to roll out.
My motorcycle riding days are over I am afraid but truly enjoyed the time I spent on them.
At this point trying to get back to "normal" life without needing a full on "refresh"

 

[Gigahorse]

First off, so sorry to hear about your injury, hope you recover quick and well.

I agree wholeheartedly with your response, I think this information is helpful and more so for someone like you or me who have fair experience driving electric cars because we can put it into perspective. I think there are a lot of non-EV owners in the forum waiting for their cybertruck and when they see a headline that reads " 178 miles of range for AWD cyber truck after many real world tests" they freak out because they don't have the right perspective to interpret the data. That's where I think some people get aggravated, they read too much into the title of the thread instead of taking the data in it and interpreting it as they see fit.

Hey thanks.
I could see your point, tried to distill the headline down into the boiled down point but can see how that could be taken as the whole story.
Not easy with the EPA estimates being a kind of unrealistic number and some folks knowing that and others assuming they will get that # no matter what, a lot of nuance that is tough to explain in general, more less get across in a 56 character headline..

 

[Gigahorse]

These general range reports are getting way more available as a ton of people are posting on IG, X, FB, CTOC, etc. Likely will not update the thread much unless large sample sizes of 1000+ miles or people doing tests with a fair amount of accompanying data as with current FS deliveries the overall picture is becoming pretty clear.

 

[Woodrick]

Hey thanks.
I could see your point, tried to distill the headline down into the boiled down point but can see how that could be taken as the whole story.
Not easy with the EPA estimates being a kind of unrealistic number and some folks knowing that and others assuming they will get that # no matter what, a lot of nuance that is tough to explain in general, more less get across in a 56 character headline..

EPA estimates are not unrealistic, they are actually tested and repeatable. It's the way that many people interpret then that is unrealistic.

 

[Gigahorse]

Lots of videos coming out as influencers get their vehicles in.
Kyle from out of spec took delivery of his Cybertruck and his range test video that will stack up the Cybertruck against previous tests on the Rivian, Ford, etc will be out within a couple of days and should be the last significant update to this thread until Tesla changes the battery composition or pack size.

The range numbers are for the most part in, but Kyle's review should summarize and confirm the ones that have been coming in over the last few months.

dblcapcrimin updated his wh/mile stats recently and they are in line with others trucks that have over 1,000 miles on them

 

[Cyberostachu]

Well.. as an EV owner, i can tell you that a single trip in one direction is not a way to judge the range of the vehicle. Average speed isnt a good way to understand how it was driven. For example, if there were a lot of 0-60 runs, your average speed would be around 60 but your wh/mi would be crazy. We just dont have enough usable data. Just have to wait till someone doing an actual test gets ahold of it. Like Out of spec.

Too many variables

I have a M3. I agree that driving one-way is not a good way to conclude the range. But, I don't think the same route going back would differ by more than 5%. So if you got 200 mi one way, you will either get around 210 or 190 on the trip back.
Personally, I'm not satisfied with less than 250-mile range. Hopefully, range will improve after 2 yrs when I'll get mine. That's 4 to 5 yrs after I made reservation.

 

[Gurule92]

I have a M3. I agree that driving one-way is not a good way to conclude the range. But, I don't think the same route going back would differ by more than 5%. So if you got 200 mi one way, you will either get around 210 or 190 on the trip back.
Personally, I'm not satisfied with less than 250-mile range. Hopefully, range will improve after 2 yrs when I'll get mine. That's 4 to 5 yrs after I made reservation.

If one direction is a slow constant incline and the way back is a constant decline, then they would be wildly different. It all depends on where you're going. Plus driving habits in both directions, weather differences. Lots of things.

but newer reports all show better range then this old thread.

 

[cgladue]

Cancelling my RN1127 Jan-March delivery order because of this post. Purchasing a max pack Rivian R1T instead.

did you really cancel your Order ?

 

[Gigahorse]

If one direction is a slow constant incline and the way back is a constant decline, then they would be wildly different. It all depends on where you're going. Plus driving habits in both directions, weather differences. Lots of things.

but newer reports all show better range then this old thread.

There have now been two people that have reported better range/efficiency after the update.
Hopefully this is the case, will be another few days and thousand miles before we have an idea, longer than that before we know but this is potentially great news.

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