Teslas will now recommend FSD when lane drift or driver sleepiness/drowsiness detected

[hemiarch]

I have never heard it before or even thought about it until this discussion in this thread. I am just thinking about it logically. Full means total; complete; 100%.

Not lacking or ommiting anything. If you have to pay attention to intervene, if necessary, then it is not "full."

It could be called "Self driving (supervised)" and it would not be an oxymoron. But they chose to use the word "full." To @Baldyloxx 's point, they could have used different language, but they chose not to. No doubt for marketing reasons; and the hope that it will one day achieve "full" status. But it has never been there yet.



I don't think this is a good analogy. The supervisors looking through the glass can't intervene at a moment's notice. So, the factory workers are self-sufficient, and if they make a mistake and cut their arm off because they got too close to a machine, or something, the supervisors can't stop that from happening. The supervisors can hold a safety meeting afterwards, and perhaps create new policies to help prevent it from happening again, but the accident still happened.

Fair. It’s also not the supervisors life that gets lost if the factory workers fuck up. Full is a bit aspirational. The ultimate goal is for it to get to that.
“Suoervised” just sounds a little better than “beta” or “in training” for sales purposes

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[HaulingAss]

To be fair- tesla changed the name from “Full self driving” to “full self driving (supervised)”. Tesla is facing multiple lawsuits for this very nomenclature, with claimants indicating that they made claims (my hw3 will be able to drive itself with full autonomy) and never delivered on that. So yeah. Some do feel mislead.

Elon has already committed to upgrading the hardware in every Hardware 3 Tesla that was sold as having hardware capable of driving itself. For free, at no charge to the customer. So, yes, Tesla will be delivering on that, just as soon as FSD (with more powerful software) can drive without supervision.

What I don't get is why a few people take a forward-looking statement, one that is obviously a prediction, and then claim Elon lied when he was wrong. Especially considering that he will making good on those predictions without another penny from customers.

A rational person would be over-joyed, not suing them and claiming they were misled.

 

[HaulingAss]

That sentence is an oxymoron. It can't be "full self driving" yet require supervision.

"Partial Self Driving with Supervision" makes more logical sense....but less marketing sense. I think that has to be his point.

When you buy FSD, you get Full Self Driving when it's fully autonomous. Tesla adds on "Supervised" to be clear that it is not yet yet there.

No one is misled about this, so I think you are arguing just to try to throw shade on Tesla and make this forum more tedious.

Get back to me when Tesla is actually fooling their customers.

 

[pae1andonly]

Possibly being repetitively nagged to go FSD which I would then expect to strike me out might be sufficiently annoying to keep me awake. Is that the plan?

 

[Bridgeboy69]

No one is misled about this, so I think you are arguing just to try to throw shade on Tesla and make this forum more tedious.

Look, I am not trying to throw shade. I love Tesla and I love the FSD*. I have two Teslas and TSLA stock.

I am simply disussing the factual language used, since it was brought up in this thread. In my mind it's not even debatable: it's factually, objectively, a contradiction. It's not subject to interpretation if you are being intellectually honest.

It is the equivalent to me putting a sign in front of my house saying "Free Lemonade (with donation of $1.50)." In math two negatives make a positve, but this isn't math. This is language, and words have meaning. I don't mind what they called it, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an oxymoron. Again, it doesn't bother me personally, and I get why they did it (better marketing/aspirational as @hemiarch stated), but that doesn't change the truth of what those words mean in the English language.

Honestly, the only thing I don't like about FSD* is that it is too slow for me most of the time, even in hurry mode. In-town I drive at the speed in which I think I need to to catch the next green light 1/2 mile away. If I predict it will be red when I get there anyway I drive moderately. But if I think I have a chance to catch it on it's green cycle I will speed up, and change to open lanes. I am perfectly safe while I do this. FSD* won't do this. But on a typical 30-minute trip through dozens of traffic lights, I can shave significant time off the trip by opportunistically catching more green lights.


*Must be supervised with full attention and no drowsiness, unless drowsy first and prompted to turn it on.

 

[HaulingAss]

It is the equivalent to me putting a sign in front of my house saying "Free Lemonade (with donation of $1.50)."

I have no trouble parsing that sign. I know exactly what it means.

Just like "Full Self Driving, Supervised". It's about as close to self-explanatory as you can get.

 

[Bridgeboy69]

I have no trouble parsing that sign. I know exactly what it means.

Me either/Me also.

But it still doesn't change anything I just said objectively about what those words mean.

Or anything I said earlier in the thread about it being ironic since I literally just got put in FSD "time-out" for 7-days for being too drowsy. The new messaging is sending mixed signals. Turn on if drowsy, but if you don't snap out of it we'll turn it off and leave you to fend for yourself for 7-days...

All that said, I really don't care much about this, and I am just having a discussion and don't want to make this more tedious, as you mentioned. That was not my intent.

 

[doggod]

I used it when coming home from grand Tetons when I was falling asleep 11:30 pm and had a couple hundred miles left to get to hotel in Salt Lake City. I was closing my eyes and out for 10-20 seconds and FSD did just fine keeping me in the lane and did not put me in jail. made it to hotel about 2am.

I am happy with FSD. can always get better.

I have tested the system by closing my eyes until blue flashing and alarm to see what happens, and never put into jail or even had a mark against me. perhaps it needs me to ignore the alarm and have truck stop to get violation mark.

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