Cybertruck Weight, license issues Europe

[RedCoast]

I'm thinking of changing my cybertruck order from the tri-motor to the single purely based on the weight. Where I plan to drive in Europe you need an additional license if a car weights over 3500kg (7716lbs). Does anyone know what the weight of the different models are likely to be?

Also given the fact that there is no longer an option to order different models on the website I assume that it is no longer possible to change the type of model one has ordered previously. I'm hoping that when it comes time to take delivery one will be able to confirm or change the model they ordered.

If every model of the truck is going to weigh over 3500kg then its irrelevant but given how musk said that "they did not cheat on weight" compared to other trucks i'm hoping that this is not the case.

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[charliemagpie]

I am confident they will facilitate. After all, its been 3 years, and people's circumstances change.

But if you want the single... Good luck.

 

[JBee]

I'm thinking of changing my cybertruck order from the tri-motor to the single purely based on the weight. Where I plan to drive in Europe you need an additional license if a car weights over 3500kg (7716lbs). Does anyone know what the weight of the different models are likely to be?

Also given the fact that there is no longer an option to order different models on the website I assume that it is no longer possible to change the type of model one has ordered previously. I'm hoping that when it comes time to take delivery one will be able to confirm or change the model they ordered.

If every model of the truck is going to weigh over 3500kg then its irrelevant but given how musk said that "they did not cheat on weight" compared to other trucks I'm hoping that this is not the case.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's currently unlikely that the CT, in any motor configuration, will be under 3500kg GVM. The difference between a single and dual is likely only around 150kg for the motors, the pack size would be more. But it's currently unlikely the single motor will be produced, at least not for many years to come.

This is because the rules in EU are such that you must add the maximum payload to the unladen vehicle mass to calculate the maximum vehicle weight. This means you need to add the empty CT mass, around 2200-2500kg together with it's 1500kg payload, meaning the CT will have a GVM of 3700-4000kg. Which is above the 3500kg EU limit either way.

However, depending on how much CT ends up weighing, especially if it's on the low side around 2300kg, then it would be possible that Tesla could get the vehicle under the 3500kg EU limit, if they restrict, at least on paper, what the payload is to around 1200kg. In fact even if it's 2500kg they could still restrict it to 1000kg payload, which is still enough for 6 passengers and luggage, which would be the other requirement, seeing it has 6 seats. So it is possible if Tesla gets the CT lightweight enough and are happy to restrict it's payload. The other way if Tesla doesn't do this, would be to register the payload reduction as a vehicle modification and get it type certified locally. Sounds complicated, but engineers don't normally have a problem limiting payload just on paper, increasing payload is more complicated. Either way I wouldn't change your reservation until Tesla is actually asking you to complete your order, and then double check what you can get away with to use it. Otherwise just get a small rigid truck license to 7500kg., it's not actually that hard either normally. ?

Luckily, here in Australia the cutoff is 4500kg, so we won't have the same issue.

 

[rr6013]

These weight estimates are comped from ICE truck in my photo at 2658kg so I think they are conservative for Cybertruck.

CT1 ~2600kg using sgl rear drive unit.

CT2 ~2700kg adding sgl front drive unit

& CT3 ~2750kg adding a third motor to the rear drive unit. SO with an advertised 1750lbs cargo cap. GVM exceeds EU registration and licensing you want to avoid. BUT…

Tesla leaked the Quad engineered dual motor, geared rear drive unit that considerably reduced form factor bulk and weight. CT specs could change were Tesla to obsolete the original larger motor and geared housing assembly. That alone would enable all CT variants to be under EU requirements.

 

[JBee]

BUT…

Tesla leaked the Quad engineered dual motor, geared rear drive unit that considerably reduced form factor bulk and weight. CT specs could change were Tesla to obsolete the original larger motor and geared housing assembly. That alone would enable all CT variants to be under EU requirements.

rr6013 buddy!
Where you get that quad motor image from? Either those motors are tiny, or the planetary gears are huge, but I wonder how wide that thing is and how much room is left for the wheel driveshaft.

 

[RedCoast]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's currently unlikely that the CT, in any motor configuration, will be under 3500kg GVM. The difference between a single and dual is likely only around 150kg for the motors, the pack size would be more. But it's currently unlikely the single motor will be produced, at least not for many years to come.

This is because the rules in EU are such that you must add the maximum payload to the unladen vehicle mass to calculate the maximum vehicle weight. This means you need to add the empty CT mass, around 2200-2500kg together with it's 1500kg payload, meaning the CT will have a GVM of 3700-4000kg. Which is above the 3500kg EU limit either way.

However, depending on how much CT ends up weighing, especially if it's on the low side around 2300kg, then it would be possible that Tesla could get the vehicle under the 3500kg EU limit, if they restrict, at least on paper, what the payload is to around 1200kg. In fact even if it's 2500kg they could still restrict it to 1000kg payload, which is still enough for 6 passengers and luggage, which would be the other requirement, seeing it has 6 seats. So it is possible if Tesla gets the CT lightweight enough and are happy to restrict it's payload. The other way if Tesla doesn't do this, would be to register the payload reduction as a vehicle modification and get it type certified locally. Sounds complicated, but engineers don't normally have a problem limiting payload just on paper, increasing payload is more complicated. Either way I wouldn't change your reservation until Tesla is actually asking you to complete your order, and then double check what you can get away with to use it. Otherwise just get a small rigid truck license to 7500kg., it's not actually that hard either normally. ?

Luckily, here in Australia the cutoff is 4500kg, so we won't have the same issue.

Thank you very much for this reply and explanation it is very helpful. Guess i'll start studying for my new license

 

[RedCoast]

These weight estimates are comped from ICE truck in my photo at 2658kg so I think they are conservative for Cybertruck.

CT1 ~2600kg using sgl rear drive unit.

CT2 ~2700kg adding sgl front drive unit

& CT3 ~2750kg adding a third motor to the rear drive unit. SO with an advertised 1750lbs cargo cap. GVM exceeds EU registration and licensing you want to avoid. BUT…

Tesla leaked the Quad engineered dual motor, geared rear drive unit that considerably reduced form factor bulk and weight. CT specs could change were Tesla to obsolete the original larger motor and geared housing assembly. That alone would enable all CT variants to be under EU requirements.

Fingers crossed that they do there best to get the weight down. Either way I think anyone who has made a reservation in the EU should assume they need an additional license. That is certainly what I am going to do.

 

[RVAC]

Thank you very much for this reply and explanation it is very helpful. Guess i'll start studying for my new license

That Tesla will limit payload rating for certification so as to stay within the 3500kg limit is all but a guarantee so I wouldn't fret on that aspect too much ... the elephant in the room is whether the design of the CT will meet EU pedestrian safety regs.

 

[Crissa]

Without a production model, let alone a planned delivery date, nor any roadmap to a European launch...

...seems a bit early to worry about which license it'll require.

We don't even know how strict EU regulation will be in five years!

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

That Tesla will limit payload rating for certification so as to stay within the 3500kg limit is all but a guarantee so I wouldn't fret on that aspect too much ... the elephant in the room is whether the design of the CT will meet EU pedestrian safety regs.

Well another reason to not limit the payload and be exempt from the pedestrian regs so they can sell in EU? I think they'll at least try to get the pedestrian sorted though.

 

[RVAC]

Well another reason to not limit the payload and be exempt from the pedestrian regs so they can sell in EU? I think they'll at least try to get the pedestrian sorted though.

Possiby, do you know for a fact that EU pedestrian safety regs do not apply to vehicles above 3500kg?

 

[Crissa]

Possiby, do you know for a fact that EU pedestrian safety regs do not apply to vehicles above 3500kg?

If they're commercial, they're exempt.

But it's not clear what vehicles they stop. American SUVs and trucks are still imported and licensed by private parties, even though manufacturers do not.

-Crissa

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