Dealing with FSD and Pay attention to the road

[OldDirtyRobot]

Some of these post are too funny. I drove about 200 miles over the weekend, to Austin and back w/ very few attention notifications. The system works well, but I'm also pretty adept with wheel and voice controls. Just keep your eyes forward and leave your phone alone and you'll be fine. This is "supervised mode", not "I'm in the seat mode".

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[DAE1]

Some of these post are too funny. I drove about 200 miles over the weekend, to Austin and back w/ very few attention notifications. The system works well, but I'm also pretty adept with wheel and voice controls. Just keep your eyes forward and leave your phone alone and you'll be fine. This is "supervised mode", not "I'm in the seat mode".

I don’t see how this comment adds any value here. You personally don’t have issues so no one else should?

Also, what does “very few” attention notifications mean? It’s my understanding that it only takes 3 for you to lose access to FSD.

For the “very few” attention notifications, were you truly not paying attention or were they in error?

 

[Bobo_LaDouche]

For me, FSD is so unsafe that it should not be used for continuous driving. I would like to use it momentarily if I have to look at the screen for something (find a charge station, for instance) in order to not run off the road, but then the nag alert kicks in, defeating the purpose of the FSD.

Voice commands are an option, sort of, and once I learn the idiosyncrasies of the 358 commands, maybe something will be better. For some reason, the command module does not understand me very well though, and I have problems with things like "Phone Mark", which requires 10 attempts or so. My other voice command machines understand me just fine.

 

[dalton108]

For me, FSD is so unsafe that it should not be used for continuous driving. I would like to use it momentarily if I have to look at the screen for something (find a charger, for instance) in order to not run off the road, but then the nag alert kicks in, defeating the purpose of the FSD.

Voice commands are an option, sort of, and once I learn the idiosyncrasies of the 358 commands, maybe something will be better. For some reason, the command module does not understand me very well though, and I have problems with things like "Phone Mark", which requires 10 attempts or so. My other voice command machines understand me just fine.

While my usage experience is different from yours, I agree 100% with this!

I understand that it needs to be supervised and that’s my job (I am driving the car it’s helping) if I can’t rely on the car to keep me out of trouble for a couple of seconds while I do some distracted driving then what the heck is the actual point? That’s rhetorical. The actual point right now is for me to teach this damn car how to drive and to be 100% focused on that activity! I get it!

I know that we’re going to move forward from this and be way ahead but, for now, this is a step back from torque based monitoring.

Simply put it’s too sensitive. Under no circumstances can I be in a vehicle that has its own mind about routing is doing the driving but it’s angry at me as I’m trying to figure out how to get it to change to the route that I actually want. This is not tenable.

I am confident that once the administration changes Elon will feel emboldened and go back to doing things a little bit towards the edge of where the government wants him to be currently.

He really started stretching the boundaries on touch based monitoring until a bunch of YouTubers ruined it for everybody by putting it on everybody’s radar!

We will see how this develops, but until then I think it needs to be made easier to turn off vision based monitoring without all of the hacks that people are mentioning here.

 

[oscar60]

Just cancelled Tesla insurance. For the last 5 days the CT gives false forward collision warnings in my neighborhood for parked cars. Each time this has resulted in my next premium going up $10. So $50. Dollars increase! Watch out for this scam.

 

[L3it3R]

These threads are getting tiresome.

After using FSD for over 3 years in 3 different cars, I can tell you that this is by far the best build with the LEAST attention warnings.

 

[dalton108]

These threads are getting tiresome.

After using FSD for over 3 years in 3 different cars, I can tell you that this is by far the best build with the LEAST attention warnings.

Welp, I’ve had it for 4+ (edited down from “5”) years in five cars. and I can tell you that I’ve never had two warnings in a year, let alone in the same month. That’s on any build in any S3XY car. In fact, I have 3 cars that are on v13 right now in my driveway. Only one of them has given me a single warning! It’s the same one that thought it was too cold when it was 60°. I’ll give you one hint.

So, you’re experience, as tiresome as it may be to you, is not the final word on this subject in this timeline.

I will agree entirely that it is by far the best build and that’s going all the way back to v10.1. Both DirtyTesla and Chuck Cook have pointed this overactive nagging out multiple times in their recent videos. And they’re about two of the only people (outside of Tesla) who have much more driving experience with FSD than I do.

 

[Mal]

There's gotta be something going on with the interior cameras from truck to truck, hidden driver statistics, or something else that's not a constant. I use FSD for 90% of my driving, and I only get very rare warnings - usually if I'm hunting for music or something for too long. I fiddle with the map, set driving dynamics, etc, and still don't get warned. I don't think I've ever gotten a strike.

It's weird how sensitive some it seems to be for some, and how lenient for others. Or maybe I have giant eyeballs... ??

 

[dalton108]

There's gotta be something going on with the interior cameras from truck to truck, hidden driver statistics, or something else that's not a constant. I use FSD for 90% of my driving, and I only get very rare warnings - usually if I'm hunting for music or something for too long. I fiddle with the map, set driving dynamics, etc, and still don't get warned. I don't think I've ever gotten a strike.

It's weird how sensitive some it seems to be for some, and how lenient for others. Or maybe I have giant eyeballs... ??

I can’t say. I just know that my driving habits haven’t changed since v10 and only v13 (and only my CT) has ever given me these types of hypersensitive warnings. Again, I’ve never had 2 warnings even in a whole calendar year let alone 2 and a month like I’ve had this December with my CT.

Each build has its own quirks. It’s hypersensitive don’t know if it’s a bug (accidental) or a feature (intentional), either way it needs to be dialed back.

 

[L3it3R]

Welp, I’ve had it for five years

No. You had autopilot. Not FSD. You may have PAID for it, but FSD didn’t hit customers until Sept 2021.

Ive used FSD to literally drive cross country multiple times. So time:miles, I’m comfortable to say that I have PLENTY of experience with it


Edit: see your edit to 4 years, still not accurate.

 

[dalton108]

No. You had autopilot. Not FSD. You may have PAID for it, but FSD didn’t hit customers until Sept 2021.

Ive used FSD to literally drive cross country multiple times. So time:miles, I’m comfortable to say that I have PLENTY of experience with it


Edit: see your edit to 4 years, still not accurate.

You are correct September 2021. I got my 100 percent score of the second week of availability. I’m confident that I have more miles on FSD in more cars than you do. But even if I didn’t it doesn’t matter. Your experience does not equal the universe of experiences.

Including myself I can point to three people that have documented the hypersensitivity.

I have no idea how many people are experiencing this, but it’s not zero as is evidenced by the videos that I pointed to, my own experience, and the fact that this thread exists.

 

[L3it3R]

Your experience does not equal the universe of experiences.

Odd. Thinking the same thing here.

 

[dalton108]

Odd. Thinking the same thing here.

If you were thinking that you wouldn’t be trying to tell everybody how you’re dissatisfied with the ongoing conversation because it doesn’t affect you. Maybe think it out again.

 

[L3it3R]

If you were thinking that you wouldn’t be trying to tell everybody how you’re dissatisfied with the ongoing conversation because it doesn’t affect you. Maybe think it out again.

Got it.
So anyway.

 

[Dmayo305]

These threads are getting tiresome.

After using FSD for over 3 years in 3 different cars, I can tell you that this is by far the best build with the LEAST attention warnings.

Agree to disagree. This may have been the least YOU have experienced, but clearly many others are experiencing something quite different. If the thread is that tiresome, maybe don't click on it?

I do find it useful to know that some others would subjectively say that they believe this version has been the least attention warnings. Valid data points.

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