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WSJ- Biden admin to funnel $13B to EV manufacturers with unions. Screwing Tesla.

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The Energy Department said it would favor projects that are likely to retain collective bargaining agreements and have high wages.


Auto Industry’s Shift to EVs Gets $12 Billion Boost


Funding from Washington will help automakers retrofit factories to produce electric vehicles


WASHINGTON, D.C.—The Energy Department said it is planning to provide up to $12 billion in funding for automakers to retrofit existing manufacturing facilities in the U.S. for the production of electric and hybrid vehicles.


Most of the funding, some $10 billion, will be allocated from an advanced-vehicle manufacturing program overseen by the department’s Loan Programs Office, Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said. The other $2 billion will come from funds allocated by last year’s Inflation Reduction Act.

The funds will help provide jobs in longstanding automaking communities as the auto industry transitions to electric vehicles, Granholm said. The Energy Department said it would favor projects that are likely to retain collective bargaining agreements and have high wages.


The department also plans to make $3.5 billion available for domestic battery manufacturing. Companies and the U.S. government have been shelling out billions of dollars to establish a North American supply chain for rechargeable battery materials as it races to catch up with China, which dominates the battery supply chain.

The funds come on top of previous Energy Department loan commitments to help bolster U.S. EV and battery production. A Ford Motor joint venture received a record $9.2 billion loan commitment from the department to finance battery plants in Tennessee and Kentucky critical to the automaker’s push into EVs.
The LPO last year reached a deal with a joint venture between General Motors and LG Energy Solution on a $2.5 billion loan for battery production.


The auto industry is plowing billions of dollars into converting their factories from building fossil-fuel vehicles to those that run on battery power. The investments have spurred a building boom of new car factories in the U.S., mostly in the South, and has led car companies to pare back in other areas, such as laying off salaried workers and streamlining operations not essential to the EV future.


The shift to EVs is expected to be costly, but automakers have been making robust profits, benefiting from a shortage of cars that have pushed prices to record highs.


While EV sales have grown, there are signs demand is starting to ease. Tesla and others have cut prices to stimulate buyer interest and inventories have been rising on some models.


The EV transition has also become a focus of labor talks in Detroit.


United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain is worried about the impact on wages and job security. He has withheld the union’s endorsement for President Biden’s re-election bid, saying he wants more assurances that the government’s support for EVs will also preserve unionized-work.


Write to Scott Patterson at [email protected]
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Then encourage your workers to unionize.

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Unionized workplaces are on the whole, safer and employers can offload some facets of hiring, scheduling, and benefits to them.

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Elon and tesla get most of the EV incentives already and he and tesla are the ones to contribute the least into the pot. How much taxes has he or tesla paid, which help put money into the EV incentives pot?
 
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Then encourage your workers to unionize.

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Unionized workplaces are on the whole, safer and employers can offload some facets of hiring, scheduling, and benefits to them.

-Crissa
Higher labor costs translate to higher product costs to the consumer; for the same commodity input as labor in factories not unionized. Economic facts.
 


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Higher labor costs translate to higher product costs to the consumer; for the same commodity input as labor in factories not unionized. Economic facts.
I’m willing to pay a few extra pennies on things that I buy, so that my fellow Americans can have a living wage.
 

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Elon and tesla get most of the EV incentives already and he and tesla are the ones to contribute the least into the pot. How much taxes has he or tesla paid, which help put money into the EV incentives pot?
Tesla income taxes for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 were $1.165B, a 9.29% increase year-over-year.

Tesla has the most American-made cars, employing lots of Americans. ??
 

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Tesla income taxes for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 were $1.165B, a 9.29% increase year-over-year.

Tesla has the most American-made cars, employing lots of Americans. ??
I'm proud to support this USA manufacturing power-house of innovation we call Tesla.
 

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Few points:
- This in no way, shape, or form "screws" Tesla
- Tesla doesn't need this money; they are now fully self-funded but others need help
- The $13B is to make EVs. Don't we want more EVs?
- Lastly, this $13B is a loan. It has to be repaid. Tesla also had received loans from DOE in the past. Let's not gloss over this fact.
 

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I’m willing to pay a few extra pennies on things that I buy, so that my fellow Americans can have a living wage.
One thing I love about Tesla is that they are happy to pay their fair share of taxes. Tesla could save money by headquartering in Ireland (like Apple and other tech companies), but they choose to stay in the States and help pay taxes.

This means more to me than anything else.
 


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Few points:
- This in no way, shape, or form "screws" Tesla
- Tesla doesn't need this money; they are now fully self-funded but others need help
- The $13B is to make EVs. Don't we want more EVs?
- Lastly, this $13B is a loan. It has to be repaid. Tesla also had received loans from DOE in the past. Let's not gloss over this fact.
To say nothing of the fact that $13 billion is almost exactly the total amount Tesla has made to date selling carbon credits to other U.S. manufacturers - and Tesla isn’t done collecting that anytime soon (currently almost $2B/yr)

So here we are, where (maybe) everyone but Tesla is going to SPLIT a *loan* of $13B, and then turn around and continue to collectively pay (not loan) carbon penalties only to Tesla all of that $13B (on top of the historical $13B already paid)

I’m not sure anyone is “getting screwed” here, but if it’s anyone, it doesn’t exactly seem its Tesla
 

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Can I redirect you all to the thread with the open frunk and back seat pic??
 

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With shrinking volume and margins, legacy is already on a negative trend line. Government assistance (even loan) is crucial.

Most people in business would know, you have your ins and outs .. businesses develop an equilibrium... In Legacy's case, they are already losing on EV's... they can't just keep squeezing the lemon.

Legacy needs help to tie them over. Seems reasonable to me, but they must succeed, there is only so many times you can go to the well.

Good luck to them.
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