Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[BenH]

*Edit added large almost 6,000 mile range total mileage report

*Edit Up to 8 or 10 real world range reports. Looking pretty good at slow speeds (250ish), rough on the highway (sub 200).

*Edit with more people posting numbers looks like the average wh/mile is going down a bit which means the real world range average is going up, likely around 215 miles of range which is a great start.
- Added a couple more data sets from posts and new CT owners.
- Highway driving looks like 180 miles of range roughly city/slow driving however is looking pretty good at 220-300

The recent 6,000 mile numbers show the real world avg for a 70/30 highway/city split or big average range to be about 207 miles. AWD CT

All these are just small samples so should be taken with a grain of salt, but this is more info than we have gotten on real world range in the last 4+ years so grateful to have it.

Lots of real world range numbers are coming in via videos getting posted now that some non Tesla employees are getting trucks.
Early report of really bad efficiency like 810 wh/mile were chalked up to speeds over 70MPH, bad driving, etc.
New numbers coming in now are no better at lower speeds.

20 mile test drive (ended up being 21)
Average speed of 63 MPH
Mostly highway driving
689 Wh/mi
Giving the AWD Cybertruck a range of 178.5 miles

*Notes*
2 Passengers
2 Carry on size suitcasestonneau
Tonneau cover closed
Minimal HVAC
Nothing being towed/hauled
Battery was warm as this was a stop on long trip and this was supercharger 3+ on the trip

*Edit*
More #s coming in from road trippers and cross country trippers.
Most Wh/mi are in the high 600s to mid 700s or 181 miles of real world range

More #s posted.
Effectively downhill with a total elevation loss of over 400'
117 mile trip
Temperature of 60-65 f
Battery went from 86% to 10% (76%)
Roughly a 700 wh/mi AKA real world range of 179 miles
Required 55min charge to have enough range to do the next leg of 148 miles with a 10% reserve

*Edit
More #s coming in from a full charging video 14-90% by ourcyberlife
The charging numbers look pretty bad, even at a V3 supercharger and are in line with other early reports.
Basically drive 143mins and then have to charge for 50+

Temperature was about ideal at 73 degrees f

*Edit
Another trip showing MUCH better wh/mile numbers. This one posted publicly
@ZachSMickelson
This was an AWD driving a little under 70mph and getting right around 400 wh/mile which is the best we have seen so far and the first time the real world range of this truck looks like it can hit over 300 at 305. Very encouraging.

*Edit
A set of trip numbers from a driver who reportedly was trying to max eco and range, lower speeds, no HVAC other than seat warmer for driver, etc. Got the efficiency way better at 454 Wh/mi which would be about 260 miles of real world range, one of the best we have seen so far.

*Edit
Video comment updated that one of the 1,000+ mile road trips done recently by a new CT owner is going to have a full video posted with multiple charge curves, mileage breakdowns etc. Hopefully getting released in the next couple of days so fingers crossed as this would be a ton of info. *Total trip full numbers coming with a video but said for the trip it was 672 wh/mile which is 183 miles of real world range

*Edit
A few more short trip reports are slowly coming in, looks like in general if the CT is kept under 30MPH or busy city driving conditions the wh/Mile can be as low as the high 300s.
wmorrill3 and others are showing that 300+ is possible under the right conditions which is cause for optimism
Equating to a real world range at those lower speeds of over 300 miles (318) which is much closer to advertised range.

*Edit
The rough average Wh/mile looks to be around 575. With the current reports, which pushes the total range over the 200 mile mark (214) which is a big improvement. Hopefully more and better data will continue to come in.
- All AWD, All Foundation Series, Mix of media reporting YT,X,Reddit,TT
- It currently is winter so cold is having an impact along with minor impact from factory tires.

*Edit
First warm weather real world posted test, maybe?. Mix of city and highway, round trip so elevation was a wash, 77 degrees F average speed of 31MPH, only drivers cooled seat used. This puts the mixed range of this AWD FS CT at about 279 of real world range, granted at a low avg speed but keeping the speed low seems to have added 100ish miles of real world range helping support a lot of theories that the high speed (60MPH+ ) is what is delivering those sub 200 mile ranges

*Edit
Pretty large mileage distance on this one. Trip max speed was 55 MPH due to back roads and mostly city driving. Vast majority was back and forth so minimal elevation impact. Air temps between 55-75F, minimal HVAC, mostly using seats. AWD FS CT
Looks like 281 is realistic real world range with mostly city and lower speed driving.

*Edit
Biggest mileage/range/distance report so far. Came from a private group and owner had privacy concerns but shared some info they said could be passed along
AWD CT
2 Drivers
Mix of about 70% highway 30% city
Due to insurance being VERY high and insurance app speed limit has NOT been broken (maybe a couple 5-10MPH over instances for a very short amount of time)
No hauling, towing
Mostly driven in warmer weather for this time of year minimum of about 30, max of about 80, avg of about 70
Almost about 80% supercharging and 20% destination charging
Charging at V2 superchargers pretty slow and tedious if a 60% charge was needed to reach next charger
Charge curve similar to the ourcyberlife curve at V3 superchargers
No V4 superchargers tested yet
Real world range for this almost 6,000 mile sample is about 208 miles of real world range not as much data as we would like but super grateful to get some significant distance #s
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I think the best way to measure is around trip of 100+miles.

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[Woodrick]

I wish that people would think it out a bit more before some of these recommendations. Your suggestions amount to actually driving hours out of the way for a 3 hour leg of a journey or finding an rv park to wait for several hours before moving on. It’s comical. I’m a huge advocate for an ev truck. I’ve mapped out all the scenarios on all the trips I take since the ct was announced to see where I would charge, etc. to see if a ev truck would be a practical option. It was on the verge of being practical when the stated range was 500 miles. That’s because an epa estimated range is under ideal circumstances at slower speeds and with no extra load. I need something that can make it 200 to 250 miles on 70% of its charge (85% to 15%) with extra payload, using the actual climate control and during potential inclement weather all with the flow of traffic, which on most rural highways is 75 mph because that is the speed limit. Mind you I take a 200 mile one way trip with payload and return after a couple nights stay every week or two. I was calculating it out, and I think to do that 200 miles under the circumstances i laid out would probably require 175 to 200 kw battery pack. I just think Tesla made a business decision to produce a very capable city truck and that is ok because it hits that 70% of people that drive pickups. With the range they decided on it just won’t work for the majority of rural drivers that actually use their trucks to haul payload and go long distances off the main interstates with the current infrastructure and range capability. Elon even said the ct isn’t for everyone that drives a truck. The suggestion to do a combination of driving slower than the flow of traffic, detour hours worth of driving out of your way, or take several hours charging at an rv park is so out of touch. I hope the technology catches up to the original aspirations of the cybertruck to allow for that 500+ miles of range. It would be nice to be able to enjoy all the other capabilities the vehicle ended up with.

As I mentioned, I couldn't match your map and other maps up to determine exactly where your western route went. But the Austin to Dallas was pretty obvious.
I did not mean to say that you had to go 3 hours out of your way, neither did I mean that you had to stop for a few hours on a L2 charger.
I was merely listing options that many non-EVs users aren't aware of. There are things that you learn as an EV driver that are not intuitively thought of by others. And even many Tesla owners don't think about stopping at CCS locations.

It should be obvious that Dallas to Austin has options. Well over a dozen Superchargers along the way and hopefully a few of them are trailer friendly. There are probably quite a few CCS locations along that route as well.

If you were to provide more information on where your western routes are actually going, there were no towns shown, it may be possible that I provide you more insight.

BUT, if you require that you must make a 400-mile trip from point A to point B, while towing and not charging, then the Cybertruck is not for you.

The simple fact that you have a RAM 2500 and not a RAM 1500 is a pretty good clue, that the Cybertruck is not for you. The Cybertruck is designed as a competitor in the 150/1500 marketspace.

I'm willing to work with you and determine if there are options for you.

 

[Gigahorse]

At the risk of being called a heretic for posting this.
After a couple promising real world range reports for city driving and low speed CT driving got the biggest sample by far.


Biggest mileage/range/distance report so far. Came from a private group and owner had privacy concerns but shared some info they said could be passed along
AWD CT
2 Drivers
Mix of about 70% highway 30% city
Due to insurance being VERY high and insurance app speed limit has NOT been broken (maybe a couple 5-10MPH over instances for a very short amount of time)
No hauling, towing
Mostly driven in warmer weather for this time of year minimum of about 30, max of about 80, avg of about 70
Almost about 80% supercharging and 20% destination charging
Charging at V2 superchargers pretty slow and tedious if a 60% charge was needed to reach next charger
Charge curve similar to the ourcyberlife curve at V3 superchargers
No V4 superchargers tested yet
Real world range for this almost 6,000 mile sample is about 208 miles of real world range not as much data as we would like but super grateful to get some significant distance #s

 

[Woodrick]

At the risk of being called a heretic for posting this.
After a couple promising real world range reports for city driving and low speed CT driving got the biggest sample by far.


Biggest mileage/range/distance report so far. Came from a private group and owner had privacy concerns but shared some info they said could be passed along
AWD CT
2 Drivers
Mix of about 70% highway 30% city
Due to insurance being VERY high and insurance app speed limit has NOT been broken (maybe a couple 5-10MPH over instances for a very short amount of time)
No hauling, towing
Mostly driven in warmer weather for this time of year minimum of about 30, max of about 80, avg of about 70
Almost about 80% supercharging and 20% destination charging
Charging at V2 superchargers pretty slow and tedious if a 60% charge was needed to reach next charger
Charge curve similar to the ourcyberlife curve at V3 superchargers
No V4 superchargers tested yet
Real world range for this almost 6,000 mile sample is about 208 miles of real world range not as much data as we would like but super grateful to get some significant distance #s

It would be much better if you really understood what you were saying.

• First, 6,000 miles is a lot to put on in a month.
• It's a new car. It's a new Tesla. I will GUARANTEE you that the usage will be higher than normal. Too many demos, too many fast starts.
• 80 mph. Yep, that'll cost you. You can expect about 10% drop in range for every 5 mph over about 65. But this is one of those things that Tesla owners will tell you that it really doesn't matter. And 5-10 mph is a worthless response. It the over 55 mph? 70mph Interstates? or 80 mph Interstates
• Whoops did you mean 80 degrees or 80 mph?
• If 8o degrees, then that means 30 degrees. That's about 30% degradation
• Charing at V2 Superchargers is ALWAYS slow when compared to V3. If you pick a charger pair where someone else is charging, you are limited to 50kW. And a lot of V2 pedestals seem to be a little problematic, that why I often switch pedestals.

Will a Tesla hit the EPA numbers? Yes
Will every drive, every driving condition hit the numbers? No
Can I get these numbers in another Tesla? Sure, I can get pretty close.

Am I saying the data and the information is wrong? No

Am I saying that your interpretation of them is wrong? Well, yea.

The Tesla forums come alive every November with people complaining that there range has decreased. The answer is easy, it's the temp. Once temps drop below 70F, the range stops dropping and a 30% reduction isn't uncommon. Most every battery does the same thing.
I already mention that speed kills your range, but that it doesn't matter. Some guys did a spreadsheet and determined that around 75 mph was the optimal cruising speed. That's where the Superchargers come in. You stop at Superchargers a little more often, but you end up getting to your destination faster. So higher usage with faster speed isn't a bad thing.

V3 Superchargers are misunderstood by most Tesla owners. I've watched my cars charge many times. First, it you want 250kW, you'd better be conditioned and your battery at less than 5%. Once you get to 10-15%, you aren't charging at 250kW anymore. Once you are at about 35%, you are down to 150kW.

The numbers speak for themselves, but the conclusion that 208 is the range, is not really a valid jump.

But indeed, if you drive like these people did, then that seems to be their average for those conditions.

But honestly, the numbers don't really bother me. They just tell me that the cost of driving is going to be a little more. I'm still going to be able to go everywhere that I've gone before.
I'm seeing over 190 Supercharger locations in Florida. There are indeed a few gaps, a big one is in the south, where if you installed one, it would sink amongst the gators. But even then there's one on I75 in the middle.

If I had my Cybertruck today, I'd have no question that I could tow my boat from Atlanta to Miami. And I'm pretty sure all the way to Key West.
If I didn't have the boat, It's easy and probably pass by three Superchargers for every one that I'd use.

 

[Woodrick]

I am interested to see a range test where a CT is pulling a 37 ft trvel trailer. In addition, where do you charge without having to unhook the trailer. This seems the real challenge to me. But then again, I think I know the answers. ..

Me to.

It will also be interesting to see how much difference between a classic trailer, an aerodynamic one, and an Airstream.

Drag coefficient is a real and deadly thing!

 

[Strykerwsu]

200 in winter on the stock tires seems about right from the 30% drop on all EV’s I’ve driven. We just need really good charging curves, but I’m not optimistic at least for a while.

 

[Woodrick]

200 in winter on the stock tires seems about right from the 30% drop on all EV’s I’ve driven. We just need really good charging curves, but I’m not optimistic at least for a while.

Lots of us went for years with only V2 chargers available. And they are all still out there.

But most Tesla owners RARELY use Superchargers. It's often just once a year on the family vacation.

So it them becomes 99% of the time, you got out of bed into a fully charged vehicle. You come home, plug it back in and head back to sleep.
And you get to skip those weekly trips to the gas station. You stop worrying about those quarterly trips to get the oil changed.

Add up your time at the gas station and waiting for the oil change. It's a LOT less than most folks will ever spend at a Supercharger.

I really care little about the charge rate at V3. Actually, most of the graphs that I've seen are similar to the way the cars charge anyway.
It's the 800V chargers that I'm wanting to see when they come out. Will we be able to hit 2,000 miles per hour!!!

 

[Gigahorse]

It would be much better if you really understood what you were saying.

• First, 6,000 miles is a lot to put on in a month.
• It's a new car. It's a new Tesla. I will GUARANTEE you that the usage will be higher than normal. Too many demos, too many fast starts.
• 80 mph. Yep, that'll cost you. You can expect about 10% drop in range for every 5 mph over about 65. But this is one of those things that Tesla owners will tell you that it really doesn't matter. And 5-10 mph is a worthless response. It the over 55 mph? 70mph Interstates? or 80 mph Interstates
• Whoops did you mean 80 degrees or 80 mph?
• If 8o degrees, then that means 30 degrees. That's about 30% degradation
• Charing at V2 Superchargers is ALWAYS slow when compared to V3. If you pick a charger pair where someone else is charging, you are limited to 50kW. And a lot of V2 pedestals seem to be a little problematic, that why I often switch pedestals.

Will a Tesla hit the EPA numbers? Yes
Will every drive, every driving condition hit the numbers? No
Can I get these numbers in another Tesla? Sure, I can get pretty close.

Am I saying the data and the information is wrong? No

Am I saying that your interpretation of them is wrong? Well, yea.

The Tesla forums come alive every November with people complaining that there range has decreased. The answer is easy, it's the temp. Once temps drop below 70F, the range stops dropping and a 30% reduction isn't uncommon. Most every battery does the same thing.
I already mention that speed kills your range, but that it doesn't matter. Some guys did a spreadsheet and determined that around 75 mph was the optimal cruising speed. That's where the Superchargers come in. You stop at Superchargers a little more often, but you end up getting to your destination faster. So higher usage with faster speed isn't a bad thing.

V3 Superchargers are misunderstood by most Tesla owners. I've watched my cars charge many times. First, it you want 250kW, you'd better be conditioned and your battery at less than 5%. Once you get to 10-15%, you aren't charging at 250kW anymore. Once you are at about 35%, you are down to 150kW.

The numbers speak for themselves, but the conclusion that 208 is the range, is not really a valid jump.

But indeed, if you drive like these people did, then that seems to be their average for those conditions.

But honestly, the numbers don't really bother me. They just tell me that the cost of driving is going to be a little more. I'm still going to be able to go everywhere that I've gone before.
I'm seeing over 190 Supercharger locations in Florida. There are indeed a few gaps, a big one is in the south, where if you installed one, it would sink amongst the gators. But even then there's one on I75 in the middle.

If I had my Cybertruck today, I'd have no question that I could tow my boat from Atlanta to Miami. And I'm pretty sure all the way to Key West.
If I didn't have the boat, It's easy and probably pass by three Superchargers for every one that I'd use.

80 degrees. and not breaking the speed limit due to monitoring by insurance app
Pair that with the test vid that came out today and you get about...........178 miles of real world real driving range.

 

[Crissa]

Add up your time at the gas station and waiting for the oil change. It's a LOT less more than most folks will ever spend at a Supercharger.

Fixed it for you?

-Crissa

 

[Strykerwsu]

Lots of us went for years with only V2 chargers available. And they are all still out there.

But most Tesla owners RARELY use Superchargers. It's often just once a year on the family vacation.

So it them becomes 99% of the time, you got out of bed into a fully charged vehicle. You come home, plug it back in and head back to sleep.
And you get to skip those weekly trips to the gas station. You stop worrying about those quarterly trips to get the oil changed.

Add up your time at the gas station and waiting for the oil change. It's a LOT less than most folks will ever spend at a Supercharger.

I really care little about the charge rate at V3. Actually, most of the graphs that I've seen are similar to the way the cars charge anyway.
It's the 800V chargers that I'm wanting to see when they come out. Will we be able to hit 2,000 miles per hour!!!

You don't live in the Midwest. I have at least 2 300+ mile trips a month for kids sports. M3 and Mach e's are great for what you are talking about around town. Once into trucks and large SUV's in our neck of the woods one needs range or quick charging curves.

 

[PilotPete]

Do I need to purchase the $16,000 range extender so I can tow my trailer out of the garage?

Dang, is your garage THAT big???

 

[Woodrick]

You don't live in the Midwest. I have at least 2 300+ mile trips a month for kids sports. M3 and Mach e's are great for what you are talking about around town. Once into trucks and large SUV's in our neck of the woods one needs range or quick charging curves.

Okay, so it's not the range it's the charging time.
Think as you might, but I dare say that the Tesla team will be putting in some work to optimize those numbers signficantly.
Right now the numbers are relatively close to a Model 3 or a Model Y, but should be a little better, seeing that is using probably about 100 watts per mile more. I'm guess you may currently be getting about 300 watts per mile?

 

[Woodrick]

Fixed it for you?

-Crissa

Thanks

 

[Dirt Worker]

Dang, is your garage THAT big???

No, Just the excavator sitting on it.

 

[Gigahorse]

Lots of us went for years with only V2 chargers available. And they are all still out there.

But most Tesla owners RARELY use Superchargers. It's often just once a year on the family vacation.

So it them becomes 99% of the time, you got out of bed into a fully charged vehicle. You come home, plug it back in and head back to sleep.
And you get to skip those weekly trips to the gas station. You stop worrying about those quarterly trips to get the oil changed.

Add up your time at the gas station and waiting for the oil change. It's a LOT less than most folks will ever spend at a Supercharger.

I really care little about the charge rate at V3. Actually, most of the graphs that I've seen are similar to the way the cars charge anyway.
It's the 800V chargers that I'm wanting to see when they come out. Will we be able to hit 2,000 miles per hour!!!

Well currently it takes over an hour to go from the 10-80% at a V3 supercharger, as far as the new versions of chargers, they should be readily available across the US in about 12 years...

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