Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Woodrick]

ABRP is considered to be one of the better EV mapping apps, many Tesla owners prefer it to the built in Tesla mapping due to higher accuracy and more options.

But YOU have no idea how accurate it is.

And many prefer the in-vehicle because of it's ease of use.

And most importantly "things happen". Even the best planned trips are subject to reality. Faster speeds / slower speeds, higher temps / lower temps. Absolutely nothing that ABRP can do for that. (yes they indeed consider forecasts)

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[Woodrick]

With more deliveries starting to trickle out and more real range reports coming in the range is much less of a mystery than it was in December.
Likely the last update to this post is the 10,000 mile average range report from an AWD CT that recently came in.
With a Wh/mile of 599 over 10k miles the owners of this CT are averaging about 205 miles of real world range 100%-0% or for a more realistic 80% of battery usage 165 miles of real world range.

What are you saying that you are figuring out that the truck is indeed going to hit the numbers that Tesla said it was?

Never was a mystery to me.

And just a reminder that, it is meeting what was announced originally for the AWD.

 

[Gigahorse]

What are you saying that you are figuring out that the truck is indeed going to hit the numbers that Tesla said it was?

Never was a mystery to me.

And just a reminder that, it is meeting what was announced originally for the AWD.

So at face value the shortcomings from the announcement are not terrible, if you ignore the 180 miles of range and MASSIVE price hike.
But with the real world range numbers compared to the advertised even minus 20% I don't think anyone in the world, including people purchasing a CT like myself would call that "under promise over deliver"

 

[Woodrick]

So at face value the shortcomings from the announcement are not terrible, if you ignore the 180 miles of range and MASSIVE price hike.
But with the real world range numbers compared to the advertised even minus 20% I don't think anyone in the world, including people purchasing a CT like myself would call that "under promise over deliver"

That is indeed a real-world EPA blended range number.

Just because YOU don't understand it, doesn't make it false.

That's the number that the EPA testing produces.

"real world" range is NOT travelling 70mph down the Interstate.

 

[Knucklehead]

As a data point to consider: my Mach-e EPA range is 270 miles, but at 80 mph highway speeds I am lucky to get 220. I the winter, 180 miles is normal.

I think Ford was more conservative than Tesla when doing EPA testing, but it isn't that far off from what is being seen with the CT. And the CT is larger and less efficient, so a bigger real world difference isn't surprising to me.

 

[Gigahorse]

As a data point to consider: my Mach-e EPA range is 270 miles, but at 80 mph highway speeds I am lucky to get 220. I the winter, 180 miles is normal.

I think Ford was more conservative than Tesla when doing EPA testing, but it isn't that far off from what is being seen with the CT. And the CT is larger and less efficient, so a bigger real world difference isn't surprising to me.

270 -> 220 is about 19% I think most of us expected the CT to be about 20% less than "advertised"
The issue is it appears to be significantly a bigger drop than that in reality.

No doubt cold weather is rough on EV range but a lot of these tests are coming from south CA and TX where they are having temps of 50-70f which is by no means cold (ask the people up north in -20f right now).
With people in those climates getting real world range of 30-40% less than the 320 they were expecting who knows what kinds of #s we will see when they get really cold.

 

[cvalue13]

But YOU have no idea how accurate it is.

And many prefer the in-vehicle because of it's ease of use.

And you have no idea how accurate the in-vehicle is?

 

[pricedm]

Not sure how I missed this thread but just want to add my own datapoint.

7,xxx miles
405 Wh/hr
Mostly highway
AWD + AT Tires

405 wh/mile = 2.5 miles per kWh
Cybertruck battery size 123 kWh
range = 2.5 * 123 = 307 miles

Thanks for this data point. How about a road trip write-up with pictures!

 

[Crissa]

ABRP is considered to be one of the better EV mapping apps, many Tesla owners prefer it to the built in Tesla mapping due to higher accuracy and more options.

It's still dependent on your inputs and is not perfect. Especially with new vehicles and trips that should include sleeping.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

And you have no idea how accurate the in-vehicle is?

Huh? I was responding to @Gigahorse who is an ICE driver. He's just regurgitating things and adding his own comments. AFAIK, he has never experienced a comparison between ABRP and driving an EV.

I have. I've been a heavy user of the in-car nav. I pretty much know exactly what the in-vehicle is going to do.

So I have no idea of what you are saying.

 

[cvalue13]

Huh? I was responding to @Gigahorse who is an ICE driver. He's just regurgitating things and adding his own comments. AFAIK, he has never experienced a comparison between ABRP and driving an EV.

he said he’s relying on ABRP, not his ICE experience

you said he can’t know how accurate ABRP is, because he doesn’t have a BEV?

You just keep acting like your precious Tesla sedan experience is the only relevant metric by which people can grasp how anything works - which keeps constantly amounting to you explaining the universe at which you are the center. (Ironically while demonstrating variously that you don’t have such a great handle on even your “own” information.)

Just try for once picking better critiques than some blanket appeal to your superior anecdotal information.

Data from ABRP is as reliable for someone with no BEV experience as it is for someone with.

If you have a substantive critique of the ABRP data, which critique isnt already painfully obvious and assumed by everyone, have at it.

 

[Woodrick]

he said he’s relying on ABRP, not his ICE experience

you said he can’t know how accurate ABRP is, because he doesn’t have a BEV?

If I eat an orange, do you know how sweet it is?

It really does help to have a little experience.

And when it comes to ABRP, they seem to be relatively algorithm based, not empirical data.
And if he isn't trusting Tesla's numbers with empirical data, why should he trust ABRP.

 

[cvalue13]

It really does help to have a little experience.

which is a different point from “what do you know at all, you couldn’t even understand ABRP if you haven’t got experience”

 

[cvalue13]

And if he isn't trusting Tesla's numbers with empirical data, why should he trust ABRP.

Because here is Tesla’s record with respect to its dashboard estimates:

Which isn’t to entirely discount the utility of the data from Tesla, but instead to emphasize the obvious point that critical interpretation is necessary of every dataset

 

[Gigahorse]

which is a different point from “what do you know at all, you couldn’t even understand ABRP if you haven’t got experience”

Step 1. Label someone a dirty ICE driver even though you have no idea of their driving history.

Step 2. While labeling them a dirty ICE driver make sure you are younger than 25 years old so you can push the narrative that you have gone your whole live traveling only in BEVs

Step 3. Explain that someone who has ever sat in an ICE vehicle is not capable or allowed to use tools such as ABRP

Step 4. Bask in the fact that you are the 1% of Americans allowed to even think about using ABRP

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