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I chatted with the man who FLIPPED the first Cybertruck for $245,000
John Clay Wolfe

- how it went down
- total profit
- thoughts on the no resale agreement
- his words for Elon Musk
- and his predictions on the CT market




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This guy sounds like a complete pompous F-Burger.
 

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What's wrong with that is you did nothing to increase the value of the product, you were just a leech who was in the right place at the right time.

I dont know why it's so important to you to defend these scumbags, but that's what they are. Scumbags. End of story. These people are no better than the scammers in call centers in India who call you pretending to be tech support, and get you to pay for shit that you don't need that does nothing. Or they blackmail you, or they leave a program on your computer to skim your credit card number. They too, did nothing of value.
 

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Are you being serious when you ask what's wrong with breach of contract?

Try it and find out! The jokester in the original video makes a big deal that Tesla has not prosecuted anyone, but he always forgets to say "yet".

I wouldn't want that hanging over my head.
 


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Are you being serious when you ask what's wrong with breach of contract?

Try it and find out! The jokester in the original video makes a big deal that Tesla has not prosecuted anyone, but he always forgets to say "yet".

I wouldn't want that hanging over my head.
Breach of contract has to be established by a court before you can call it one.

Prior to that it is just called a "claim".

Your "fear" is the proof in the pudding that this clause is just a deterrent, by making those that don't know better fearful of litigation by a multi billion dollar company.

That's all it does. Stop proving my point. Please. :cool:
 

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That's not how that works. At all.

We don't have to wait for a court to call a spade a spade.

-Crissa
lol. You kid right?

So we can call anything whatever we want? Figures.
Doesn't mean that is what it is.

Look up the meaning of claim in context of the court.

Like:

claim
1) v. to make a demand for money, for property, or for enforcement of a right provided by law. 2) n. the making of a demand (asserting a claim) for money due, for property, from damages or for enforcement of a right. If such a demand is not honored, it may result in a lawsuit. In order to enforce a right against a government agency (ranging for damages from a negligent bus driver to a shortage in payroll) a claim must be filed first. If rejected or ignored by the government, it is lawsuit time.
 


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Ahh, yes, there's that famous dishonesty you're known for.

-Crissa
Dishonest?

At least I don't go around rebranding everything to make my point and then lie to myself that it must be true.

Did you get any snow?

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BTW for those who are to lazy to google:

breach of contract
n. failing to perform any term of a contract, written or oral, without a legitimate legal excuse. This may include not completing a job, not paying in full or on time, failure to deliver all the goods, substituting inferior or significantly different goods, not providing a bond when required, being late without excuse, or any act which shows the party will not complete the work ("anticipatory breach"). Breach of contract is one of the most common causes of law suits for damages and/or court-ordered "specific performance" of the contract.

specific performance
n. the right of a party to a contract to demand that the defendant (the party who it is claimed breached the contract) be ordered in the judgment to perform the contract. Specific performance may be ordered instead of (or in addition to) a judgment for money if the contract can still be performed and money cannot sufficiently reward the plaintiff. Example: when a defendant was to deliver some unique item such as an art- work and did not, a judge may order the defendant to actually deliver the artwork.

order
1) n. every direction or mandate of a judge or a court which is not a judgment or legal opinion (although both may include an order) directing that something be done or that there is prohibition against some act. This can range from an order that a case will be tried on a certain date, to an order that a convicted defendant be executed at the state prison. 2) v. for a judge to direct that a party before the court perform a particular act or refrain from certain acts, or to direct a public official or court employee (like a sheriff) to take certain actions such as seizing property or arresting an AWOL defendant.



So unless there are orders by the court to enforce the performance of the contract it's not "yet" a breach, rather simply a "claim of a breach".
 

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That's not how that works. At all.

We don't have to wait for a court to call a spade a spade.

-Crissa
Tell us poor ignorant souls how.

Like that funny part where there was a crime because the unit under auction was not running and therefore not collecting data.

Poor Tesla! :p
 
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Tell us poor ignorant souls how.

Like thar funny part where there was a crime because the unit under auction was not running and therefore not collecting data.

Poor Tesla! :p
You promise to do X and then you don't do X within a reasonable time-frame, I'll say you lied when you promised X.

Very simple.

-Crissa
 

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You promise to do X and then you don't do X within a reasonable time-frame, I'll say you lied when you promised X.

Very simple.

-Crissa
What if what you promised to do was illegal and hand no standing in the court?
What if the circumstances change outside of your control?
What if the term was onerous and against your rights to begin with?

You can't enforce something that is illegal to begin with.

The whole point of taking it to court is to see if it is illegal or not.
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