FSD is supposed to be: "this is the weekend"?

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

The FS scam might keep me from buying a CT even after it is over. If you charge people for something, it should be illegal not to provide it at time of payment. It is certainly scummy. The Powershare mess only aggravates the issue. Amazed there haven't been lawsuits.

You can start a class action suit. Make millionaires of lawyers while we civilians get $20 each of the loot.

I wonder which is the bigger scam.

But I agree with you on the premise getting on Day 1 what you've already paid for.

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[flyinglow]

You can start a class action suit. Make millionaires of lawyers while we civilians get $20 each of the loot.

I wonder which is the bigger scam.

But I agree with you on the premise getting on Day 1 what you've already paid for.

I am not litigious but am kind of a vindictive consumer and will long term avoid companies/products that I think are scammy/scummy. Between some of the bigoted crap coming out of Elon's mouth and FS I have serious resistance to purchasing a CT even though I am immensely impressed with the underlying engineering and the team that created it.

 

[Crissa]

No, this is their Halo product to really push them into new extremely large markets (Trucks/Real SUV's) vs the sedans/cuvs.

That's not how it was marketed in the first place. Nor how they're building it. "Insane technology platform... at a mass-production market level". It's meant to be their Model 3 of trucks, not the Model X of SUVs. They already have a 'real SUV'.

The FS scam might keep me from buying a CT even after it is over. If you charge people for something, it should be illegal not to provide it at time of payment. It is certainly scummy. The Powershare mess only aggravates the issue. Amazed there haven't been lawsuits.

That's not how contracts work. And would pretty much destroy the economy if you held everyone to that standard.

As much as I hate futures, options, shorts, insurance, and subscriptions... Pretty much none of it would be legal by your definition.

And Tesla never advertised the Powershare feature or the benefit, and it always had the caveat in the Foundation Series that it was only going to the installer and had regional requirements. You'd not win that case.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

How difficult is it to do a mass on air software upload when Tesla is already doing it on a regular basis.

They have to duplicate the same training data, but with Cybertrucks. We know they're staff constrained, but so far they've also been compute constrained.

-Crissa

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

They have to duplicate the same training data, but with Cybertrucks. We know they're staff constrained, but so far they've also been compute constrained.

-Crissa

I can do the mass upload for $5 million in 3 days. ?

 

[CTInProcess]

I got v12, it’s unusable on the street and I can see why Tesla hasn’t enabled the CT Yet.

 

[SteelMyHeart]

I got v12, it’s unusable on the street and I can see why Tesla hasn’t enabled the CT Yet.

I just started a free trial of v12 on my Y and I couldn't disagree more. I took it through roundabouts left turns across 4 panes and it stopped at a crosswalk to appropriately let pedestrians cross. It stopped for pedestrians appropriately in a parking lot and parked itself with no issue. It avoided a cyclist without excessive braking and moved around them with a car oncoming.

It had a little trouble getting out of a large parking lot once but otherwise it is amazing in my opinion.

Tesla knows this is the first fsd version that is close to living up to its name. Otherwise Musk would not made it a requirement to demo it for drivers at SC prior to delivery. If I wasn't close to getting a cybertruck I would buy it today.

Also worth watch whole Mars and other videos showing really excellent natural driving in tricky situations. I am not voicing a minority opinion. While fsd is considered level 2, I'm not sure what else it has to prove to be a 3. Fantastic experience today, day 1.

 

[CTInProcess]

I just started a free trial of v12 on my Y and I couldn't disagree more. I took it through roundabouts left turns across 4 panes and it stopped at a crosswalk to appropriately let pedestrians cross. It stopped for pedestrians appropriately in a parking lot and parked itself with no issue. It avoided a cyclist without excessive braking and moved around them with a car oncoming.

It had a little trouble getting out of a large parking lot once but otherwise it is amazing in my opinion.

Tesla knows this is the first fsd version that is close to living up to its name. Otherwise Musk would not made it a requirement to demo it for drivers at SC prior to delivery. If I wasn't close to getting a cybertruck I would buy it today.

Also worth watch whole Mars and other videos showing really excellent natural driving in tricky situations. I am not voicing a minority opinion. While fsd is considered level 2, I'm not sure what else it has to prove to be a 3. Fantastic experience today, day 1.

Tesla is going to have a hard time selling this after the free trial.

- slow to speed up after left/right turns

- always below the speed limit by 5-10 mph

- stops way too soon at stop signs

- creeps way too slow after a stop sign to make a left or right turn

- Can’t decide whether the right or left lanes is where it wants to be

Positives:

- Auto park
- Graphics
- stops for obstacles

I mean, I would hope it stops for pedestrians. The driving itself is the problem, not the basic stuff. It’s just not worth the $12k IMO, even the original $7k is too much.

 

[FutureTruck]

$12k for autopark is a lot

 

[SteelMyHeart]

Tesla is going to have a hard time selling this after the free trial.

- slow to speed up after left/right turns

- always below the speed limit by 5-10 mph

- stops way too soon at stop signs

- creeps way too slow after a stop sign to make a left or right turn

- Can’t decide whether the right or left lanes is where it wants to be

Positives:

- Auto park
- Graphics
- stops for obstacles

I mean, I would hope it stops for pedestrians. The driving itself is the problem, not the basic stuff. It’s just not worth the $12k IMO, even the original $7k is too much.

Disagree on speed after left/right turns
Disagree on stopping way too soon at stop signs
I should clarify the pedestrians were not already in the road. They were waiting at the crosswalk and the car recognized it as a crosswalk and recognized pedestrians waiting and stopped and allowed them to cross.

I did not experience any lane confusion.

I think the speed could be higher and it could creep up faster at stop signs but for city driving those things may have added less than a minute to overall drive.

 

[CTInProcess]

Disagree on speed after left/right turns
Disagree on stopping way too soon at stop signs
I should clarify the pedestrians were not already in the road. They were waiting at the crosswalk and the car recognized it as a crosswalk and recognized pedestrians waiting and stopped and allowed them to cross.

I did not experience any lane confusion.

I think the speed could be higher and it could creep up faster at stop signs but for city driving those things may have added less than a minute to overall drive.

It’s not a point of disagreeing, we have different experiences with FSD and that’s ok. Street lines might not be as visible where I live compared to where you live. To me it’s like being a passenger with a student driver at this point.

I think that for those in the fence they should just not opt for it at this price. A Monthly subscription for one month would suffice. To me regular AP for the freeway is good enough, city driving I can do myself.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

So far reviews even from outside sources are mix. Although looking like more pros at least from what I've heard.

I guess we have to find it out ourselves.

I hope those who have tried this latest release could post theirs. Thank you in advance.

 

[Mrp911]

Disagree on speed after left/right turns
Disagree on stopping way too soon at stop signs
I should clarify the pedestrians were not already in the road. They were waiting at the crosswalk and the car recognized it as a crosswalk and recognized pedestrians waiting and stopped and allowed them to cross.

I did not experience any lane confusion.

I think the speed could be higher and it could creep up faster at stop signs but for city driving those things may have added less than a minute to overall drive.

I disagree as well. My v12.3 is driving much like I would would. It is decisive outside of cross traffic departures. The complete stop requirement is a little too long, but a little accelerator can overcome both of those pretty easily. I’ve had multiple friends drive it, and these are individuals that we’re not too fond of it before and they are like wow this is a big improvement and very human like.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I got v12, it’s unusable on the street and I can see why Tesla hasn’t enabled the CT Yet.

You are talking about 2 different things like they are related. You may well be right about the first. I was driving V12.3.1 today and it pulled into a right hand lane when it could/should have stayed in the lane it was in. That lane just merges back in again after a light. This is my big test for FSD because it is so simple and yet FSD has routinely messed it up until late in V11 builds. I 'do' believe that Tesla may be on the right track now, but it isn't there yet.

The Cybertruck not getting FSD is a bunch of other issues: (1) steer by wire, (2) 4ws, (3) different dimensions, (4) different cameras and locations, (5) different weight/inertia, (6) limited amount of data to train with. That is 6 reasons alone why it will take a lot of time to get FSD on the Cybertruck. Who knows, maybe by the time Tesla is ready to put FSD on the Cybertruck FSD will have addressed the concerns that render it dubious on city streets.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I disagree as well. My v12.3 is driving much like I would would. It is decisive outside of cross traffic departures. The complete stop requirement is a little too long, but a little accelerator can overcome both of those pretty easily. I’ve had multiple friends drive it, and these are individuals that we’re not too fond of it before and they are like wow this is a big improvement and very human like.

I find the current build too jerky in both steering and acceleration/braking. It had gotten very smooth.

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