Cybertruck burned down in LA wildfires

[Tony2times]

This is truly unimaginable and heartbreaking. I have friends who have lost everything—homes worth over $6 million, their treasured art collections, jewelry, money in safes, irreplaceable family heirlooms, cars—everything, gone.

To make matters worse, they didn’t have fire insurance and still owe the bank millions on their mortgage.

I will do everything I can to help. It’s absolutely devastating, especially knowing this could have been prevented.

While heartbreaking to say the least, I don’t think middle America has much boo hiss and general give a shit for someone who has the financial wherewithal to purchase a $6m home.

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[devdrone6]

While heartbreaking to say the least, I don’t think middle America has much boo hiss and general give a shit for someone who has the financial wherewithal to purchase a $6m home.

Middle America American here that does give a shit - what an asinine thing for you to say. I guess to you successful people don’t matter ,that is such a low life way of thinking.

The fire doesn’t care how rich, what color, or politics you are. It’s a tragedy all around.

 

[Tony2times]

Middle America American here that does give a shit - what an asinine thing for you to say. I guess to you successful people don’t matter ,that is such a low life way of thinking.

The fire doesn’t care how rich, what color, or politics you are. It’s a tragedy all around.

I guess that strikes a chord with you. I personally never said I didn’t care so don’t get in such a Tizzie. I stand by my statement that middle America who cannot relate to this level of wealth gives a rats ass about some rich persons house, cars and jewelry going up in flames. The shitkickers plowing through pig shit in Kansas just don’t care, sorry not sorry.

 

[Crissa]

To hell with this shit. Anyone who bitches about a few hours of some wind, rain and flooding down here in Florida needs to realize we have it real good compared to this hell on earth.

It's easier to escape a fire than a hurricane, in my opinion.

I guess that strikes a chord with you. I personally never said I didn’t care so don’t get in such a Tizzie. I stand by my statement that middle America who cannot relate to this level of wealth gives a rats ass about some rich persons house, cars and jewelry going up in flames. The shitkickers plowing through pig shit in Kansas just don’t care, sorry not sorry.

You do realize when fire burns houses it doesn't care if it was a rich person's or a poor person's? Housing is cheaper crammed against the hills, especially older buildings. That picture wasn't of the $6million dollar ones.

-Crissa

 

[Tony2times]

It's easier to escape a fire than a hurricane, in my opinion.


You do realize when fire burns houses it doesn't care if it was a rich person's or a poor person's? Housing is cheaper crammed against the hills, especially older buildings. That picture wasn't of the $6million dollar ones.

-Crissa

I’m not the one who mentioned the $6m price tag which obviously is irrelevant. I only mentioned the fact that if you feel the need to paint a picture of the devastation maybe don’t paint it with $6m houses, “treasured” art collections, expensive cars, cash and family heirlooms? People seem to be numb to the fact that there are sections of this country where some folks have absolutely nothing like this and live in absolute shanty town squalor. I drive a $100k Cybertruck (in fact I have 2 of them) so I certainly understand the pain and suffering involved in this loss.

 

[Crissa]

I’m not the one who mentioned the $6m price tag which obviously is irrelevant. I only mentioned the fact that if you feel the need to paint a picture of the devastation maybe don’t paint it with $6m houses, “treasured” art collections, expensive cars, cash and family heirlooms? People seem to be numb to the fact that there are sections of this country where some folks have absolutely nothing like this and live in absolute shanty town squalor. I drive a $100k Cybertruck (in fact I have 2 of them) so I certainly understand the pain and suffering involved in this loss.

Even people who live in squalor have stuff to lose from a fire.

-Crissa

 

[Sirfun]

Wow, I live 35 miles north of the Palisades fire, and I hadn't seen that photo. It really hit hard with me. Those are/were normal homes of normal people. That just now happen to be worth a lot of money. They are not the McMansions of Malibu. I would be willing to put money on the fact that some of those people bought their home when it was worth $100 K or less. That burnt everything, and some of those people will never recover. One of my closest friends, had sparks go down the kitchen hood exhaust and do significant damage to his home in the fire that burnt over 1000 homes in Ventura in 2017. He was under so much stress trying to repair his home that a month after the fire, he had a massive stroke. He ended up passing away about a year later. Please don't stress too much over things that can be replaced. Otherwise, stress can take things that can never be replaced.

 

[CyberGus]

Lithium batteries on thermal runaway burn at about 725f.

I think you mean 700ºC (~1300ºF) although it varies with chemistry

 

[CyberGus]

That's like, my nightmare. Not being able to go back and get it when I'm off somewhere else.

My nightmare is all the stuff I own. If my home turned to a pile of ash, part of me would be relieved.

...as long as it was insured. And I rescued the cat. And the truck. And whatever I could fit in the truck etc.

 

[Oscar]

Wildfires burn at thousands of degrees in the wind and turn even cinderblock and brick to ash.

-Crissa

 

[devdrone6]

I guess that strikes a chord with you. I personally never said I didn’t care so don’t get in such a Tizzie. I stand by my statement that middle America who cannot relate to this level of wealth gives a rats ass about some rich persons house, cars and jewelry going up in flames. The shitkickers plowing through pig shit in Kansas just don’t care, sorry not sorry.

Oh, got it - you are not like that but other people are. I work with those shitkickers and very few of them are like that. It's easy to generalize due to some peoples behavior. These shitkickers are the ones that will go help someone else even if that someone else has more than they do. When tornadoes happen in middle america, no one drives by a house and says, oh that is worth million dollars, I'm not going to help them. Please stop projecting your behavior on others.

 

[Crissa]

Ahh, yes, fire expert here asking a word commonality function for when something melts. Without considering that maybe steel might not be considered structural far below that.

Here's the question you didn't ask:

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Steel begins to weaken at around 300°C (572°F) and loses strength rapidly after 400°C (752°F). Here's how steel's strength changes with temperature:

• 204°C (400°F): Carbon steel retains about 90% of its yield strength
• 427°C (800°F): Carbon steel retains about 60% of its yield strength
• 566°C (1050°F): Carbon steel retains about 50% of its yield strength
• 1100°F: Steel retains about 50% of its strength o
• 2700°F: Steel melts and loses all of its capacity o

You know what metal also does? Conduct that heat to whatever is inside.

Are we into denying that wildfire destroys cars and homes made of steel now?

Are these brick chimneys?

and look at this... chimneys as far as the eye can see:

According to you, shouldn't these have turned to ash or have fully crumbled? Brick and cinderblock takes

You know what those aren't?

Cinderblock.

You know what they aren't now?

Structural.

'hahaha' goes the troll making fun of people's homes burning. Links to a website without actually reading the fine print from a company preying upon people who have been hurt by fire. Notice what they don't promise? That you don't have to replace that wall after it's been exposed to that level of heat. Or that things will be saved on the other side of a wall that has low R value.
https://diy.stackexchange.com/quest...oundation-have-to-get-before-it-too-has-to-be

Motar, cinderblock will undergo crystalline changes with fire and become weak. Steel and rebar will expand and gaps will form when it contracts.

Concrete and stone are highly resistant against embers. Tile roofs, especially modern tiles, are very useful.

But do they stop this? No, no they don't. Once the neighbors' homes are on fire, radiant heat becomes almost impossible to resist. Items inside the home tend to catch on fire. You still have windows, doors, vents, soffits.

Lastly, the brick put in fireplaces is specific to resist heat damage - it would be really, really expensive to build a house out of it. And given an earthquake, a house made that way would be dangerous. And that mortar will just wear away in a fire and everything around and enclosed by those walls will just burn.

Just gross, man, gross.

-Crissa

 

[Oscar]

This likely wasn't the only Cybertruck casualty in the LA wildfires

Can anyone find this picture from other sources? This is the only place I can find

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Ahh, yes, fire expert here asking a word commonality function for when something melts. Without considering that maybe steel might not be considered structural far below that.

Wait... weren't we talking about brick and cinderblock? Weren't you the one who said... and I quote:

Wildfires burn at thousands of degrees in the wind and turn even cinderblock and brick to ash.

-Crissa

Are we into denying that wildfire destroys cars and homes made of steel now?

As a matter of fact, we were not. I was responding to your BS you were slinging about brick and cinderblock.

You know what those aren't?

Cinderblock.

You know what they aren't now?

Structural.

Again... I never commented on structural integrity afterwards. I did comment about your stating it turns brick and cinderblock to ash.

You are now making a straw man argument.

'hahaha' goes the troll making fun of people's homes burning. Links to a website without actually reading the fine print from a company preying upon people who have been hurt by fire. Notice what they don't promise? That you don't have to replace that wall after it's been exposed to that level of heat. Or that things will be saved on the other side of a wall that has low R value.
https://diy.stackexchange.com/quest...oundation-have-to-get-before-it-too-has-to-be

Ummm who made fun of what? Any "hahaha" is me laughing at your "expertise" of which you have no knowledge whatsoever. You are doing a straw man again.

Motar, cinderblock will undergo crystalline changes with fire and become weak. Steel and rebar will expand and gaps will form when it contracts.


Concrete and stone are highly resistant against embers. Tile roofs, especially modern tiles, are very useful.

But do they stop this? No, no they don't. Once the neighbors' homes are on fire, radiant heat becomes almost impossible to resist. Items inside the home tend to catch on fire. You still have windows, doors, vents, soffits.

Lol... again... we were discussing on how bricks and cinderblock "turn to ash" ? Not how structural fires evolve nor its effect on steel and rebar or tin.

Lastly, the brick put in fireplaces is specific to resist heat damage - it would be really, really expensive to build a house out of it. And given an earthquake, a house made that way would be dangerous. And that mortar will just wear away in a fire and everything around and enclosed by those walls will just burn.

Just gross, man, gross.

-Crissa

Did those brick fireplaces turn to ash? ?

Also for the second time... fire burn buildings are made of cinderblock and.... believe it or not, composite steel! Ask me how I know!

? Dude... I'm not even going to argue with you... you speak with absolutely no background whatsoever on fires.

Time to swing the BSD: I have fought wildland for 16 years and held Engine Boss, Squad Boss, and Sawyer A certs and led the wildland program for my fire department. I taught structural fire academy and was at many times the internal burn building safety officer and burn officer. Yeah, I am definitely throwing out the BSD... but it's because I earned that right for this topic. @Crissa, How many fires have you fought?

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I think you mean 700ºC (~1300ºF) although it varies with chemistry

Yeah... switched the c for an f. Oopsie.

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