First Jerry rig everything, now mark rober 🧐

[btcrealm]

Yes, yes... "If you want your car to apply brakes for an obstacle, please pay extra $8,000"

I don't think that is our argument with Robers video. He clearly named it self driving which autopilot is not. In the situations where the Tesla 'failed' a driver would still have been at the wheel and paying attention. With both thick fog and pouring rain the driver of the vehicle would have been more cautious.
I know that FSD will drive much slower, be far more cautious, and if it feels it can't handle it will yell at me and disengage. None of those attributes were shown in the testing.

This was basically a hit piece on Tesla FSD and a stock boost for Luminar. At a critical time for at least one of the companies.

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[freyguy]

I don't think that is our argument with Robers video. He clearly named it self driving which autopilot is not. In the situations where the Tesla 'failed' a driver would still have been at the wheel and paying attention. With both thick fog and pouring rain the driver of the vehicle would have been more cautious.
I know that FSD will drive much slower, be far more cautious, and if it feels it can't handle it will yell at me and disengage. None of those attributes were shown in the testing.

This was basically a hit piece on Tesla FSD and a stock boost for Luminar. At a critical time for at least one of the companies.

As a long time fan of rober from the glitter bombs etc… he was someone I thought really thought about his test especially as a former nasa engineer. His lack of understanding of how FSD works really caught me off guard. I really hope he can sustain his integrity but after this last video it doesn’t look good.

I hate to think he really had an ulterior motive making this video to either short Tesla or pump luminar. Either way I lowkey lost a lot of respect.

 

[btcrealm]

As a long time fan of rober from the glitter bombs etc… he was someone I thought really thought about his test especially as a former nasa engineer. His lack of understanding of how FSD works really caught me off guard. I really hope he can sustain his integrity but after this last video it doesn’t look good.

I hate to think he really had an ulterior motive making this video to either short Tesla or pump luminar. Either way I lowkey lost a lot of respect.

Unfortunately the same here. His glitter bombs are what made me aware of him as well.
Now with anything I watch of his it will be with heavy sprinklings of salt (for honesty, not entertainment).

 

[freyguy]

Unfortunately the same here. His glitter bombs are what made me aware of him as well.

Also the fact he tried to edit a google pixel phone over an iPhone ??‍ like come on. Maybe it wasn’t him , possibly someone on his editing team but either way you used an iPhone just to then modify it in post to make it look like a google phone .
But the fact luminar had his video and information plastered all over their page, then suddenly removed it after all the backlash , yeah ok luminar we all know your intentions.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Tesla has stated that if FSD (not assisted) is not functional on HW3 it would be upgraded. How that actually looks we don't know. May be something like "If you pay for lifetime FSD we'll upgrade your hardware free" but "if you pay monthly we'll do it at cost" (spitballing, this has not been stated by Tesla)

I'm almost certain the upgrade will only be for those who paid in full up front. Luckily for Tesla that's a small percentage of owners. It wouldn't make sense to tie up service centers doing an upgrade for subscribers at cost.

 

[freyguy]

Glad Kyle did another video this time around same time of day just testing hw3 vs hw4. I hope this finally proves that lidar can be beaten and thanks to lots of engineers at Tesla and all the developments hw4 really is like night and day over the old hardware.

again ashamed that mark rober didn’t put latest tech vs latest tech

 

[nallen]

Y'all need to read and understand the following:
Check out the attached image.
What were you saying about “but it did not do "10X" anything” ?
So are you saying Wes is also wrong?


Static load rating is not the same as maximum force it's designed to handle. Loads seen during towing will be potentially much higher than 1,100lbs. Yes Jerry took it beyond that but it did not do "10X" anything

 

[mongo]

Wes's post conflated max tongue weight with required test standards which are closer to 6k pounds. So maybe 2x.

 

[nallen]

So you are saying Wes is wrong?

 

[cybercricket]

So you are saying Wes is wrong?

Wes isn't wrong, but there is some semantics that @mongo is calling out. I would suggest looking at it this way :

the max tongue weight is specified as 1,100lb, but the regulations require for there to be 5x safety factor which means the hitch should be able to handle some ~6,000lb in testing. In this unscientific test it was able to handle almost twice that, hence demonstrating a 10x safety factor.

So basically the issue issue is @mongo doesn't think the regulatory prescription already includes the safety factor, as opposed to safety factor being anything above the regulatory minimum.

 

[mongo]

Wes isn't wrong, but there is some semantics that @mongo is calling out. I would suggest looking at it this way :

the max tongue weight is specified as 1,100lb, but the regulations require for there to be 5x safety factor which means the hitch should be able to handle some ~6,000lb in testing. In this unscientific test it was able to handle almost twice that, hence demonstrating a 10x safety factor.

So basically the issue issue is @mongo doesn't think the regulatory prescription already includes the safety factor, as opposed to safety factor being anything above the regulatory minimum.

Sorta, the requirement has some safety/ fatigue factor over expected force, but expected force must be greater than 1,100 due to dynamic loading. So failing at 2,200 is definitely not a 2x safety factor, nor is 10,400 a 10x factor.

 

[mongo]

So you are saying Wes is wrong?

Yeah. I'm also not a fan of the updated cargo carrier guidance since the pin position is not the lever arm fulcrum; and it ignores the vertical offset of the center of mass.

 

[cybercricket]

Sorta, the requirement has some safety/ fatigue factor over expected force, but expected force must be greater than 1,100 due to dynamic loading. So failing at 2,200 is definitely not a 2x safety factor, nor is 10,400 a 10x factor.

Yeah, we can argue about that stuff ad-infinitum. I will wait for the field data at this point to demonstrate Tesla's 11k tow rating isn't practically possible.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Yeah, we can argue about that stuff ad-infinitum. I will wait for the field data at this point to demonstrate Tesla's 11k tow rating isn't practically possible.

But that's not what's being discussed, it's the safety factor rating.

Sorta, the requirement has some safety/ fatigue factor over expected force, but expected force must be greater than 1,100 due to dynamic loading. So failing at 2,200 is definitely not a 2x safety factor, nor is 10,400 a 10x factor.

 

[mongo]

Yeah, we can argue about that stuff ad-infinitum. I will wait for the field data at this point to demonstrate Tesla's 11k tow rating isn't practically possible.

My practicality concern is axle loading on a Beast + Range Extender + 11k trailer while lacking weight distribution guidance from Tesla.

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