FSD 14.1.2 adds MAD MAX speed profile

[Raptor370]

A lot of this is spot on.

It’s interesting to see different people’s perspectives on these things. I’ll say this: driving home recently from SoCal on the 15, FSD in hurry mode was nearly unusable. I’ve been traversing this route regularly for 40 years; it has gotten insane!

Doing an average of 80-85 in a 70mph zone I was routinely being passed on the left AND right. Tractor trailers are doing 70-80! They’re supposed to be at 55! Assertive drivers are routinely doing 90. The bold are hitting 100 at least for small bursts. You see reckless ppl hitting autobahn speeds at least briefly.

Even in driving rain, my observation of the average speed was 80 mph! That’s still 10 over max!

So, courteous mode in this context would make you an outlier and a nuisance. Driving effectively amid this lawlessness probably does require a Mad Max mode. Tesla’s DNA is in CA.

Notice above when I said the “bold” are briefly hitting 100, I didn’t deem that speed to be reckless and under certain conditions on the 15 I’d say that speed is perfectly safe in a well maintained vehicle with a competent driver. It’s TEN LANES ACROSS in certain sections and straight as an arrow!

So, setting personal sentiments aside, one size is not going to fit all. Sloth mode will rarely if ever be engaged in any of my vehicles and I’ve already got experience with Mad Max mode when we had it back in the day. I don’t think most ppl will use either every day.

I’ll use it on the trip I’m about to make home from Big Bear. Maybe I’d use Sloth mode driving through Carson City (or other good ole boy 25 mph speed trap towns), or in a funeral procession. Each will surely have its place.

Good points. Definitely situational. In some places we would in fact be the only courteous drivers.
Living in the Midwest is pretty relaxed driving for the most part. Very different than out in CA. That’s why I wish it was a toggle. I suppose the drive modes are supposed to fill that role. I just believe in some areas it is possible to drive both fast and be respectful to others. When I go to Chicago though it is every man for himself so I get where you are coming from.

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[dalton108]

Fair argument. Just don’t forget to actually supervise. Temptation not to is getting greater and greater as FSD improves and there is more aftermarket cabin tech aimed at making life harder for driver attention monitoring. Phones stands etc.
You’re still on the hook for anything that car does.

Supervision is the price of entry. WE ARE DRIVING- MAKE NO MISTAKE. It’s an important reminder @hemiarch. But, I incorporate all of @ABILISK comments in mine.

1. Supervision Required
2. Still safer than most Mad Maxing on their own.
3. Only an interim step.

When we get full autonomy, I expect next to get convoy or train mode (popular science has been promising me this for 30 years). The cars will sync up and drive at blistering speeds bumper-to-bumper.

In the wrong setting both Sloths and Maxes can be dangerous. I was with my great-grandfather when he got pulled over for driving to slowly. Neither is better than the other.

 

[hemiarch]

Good points. Definitely situational. In some places we would in fact be the only courteous drivers.
Living in the Midwest is pretty relaxed driving for the most part. Very different than out in CA. That’s why I wish it was a toggle. I suppose the drive modes are supposed to fill that role. I just believe in some areas it is possible to drive both fast and be respectful to others. When I go to Chicago though it is every man for himself so I get where you are coming from.

“Ara, drive a little more courteously” is where this is ideally going or “in future try get over a little sooner for exits”. Maybe a quick “stay out of the fast lane unless necessary please”

 

[hemiarch]

When it’s unsupervised, I highly doubt it will be a crazy, aggressive driver. This is a “for now” thing for people in a rush who are supervising. Unsupervised has always and will always be the end-all-be-all, and there’s no way there will be different profiles on it, because no humans are watching it.

I can also guarantee, without even having experienced it myself, that Mad Max is a safer driver than most idiot humans driving around. But I live in a big city so my standards are pretty low. A lot of them don’t even have DLs and drive illegally.

Smart dude that @ABILISK

 

[dalton108]

“Ara, drive a little more courteously” is where this is ideally going or “in future try get over a little sooner for exits”.

Elon believes that “all input is error.” I vehemently disagree. I don’t want da Vinci overriding your deliberate input if I’m on the table, and while FSD may be better than the average driver, it has a long fucking way to go to get - even close - to my driving skill.

If I hit the turn signal, I expect the car to obey! That needs to be treated as an edict, not a suggestion! The car should immediately OBEY unless it’s unsafe. I know what lane I want to be in and why I want to be there. I’m not interested in debating my car about it. Unfortunately most people are not purposeful and drive around in a daze— their own version of auto pilot.

For the rest of us, the same is true for speed control. We should have it and the car should immediately comply. As long as I’m still driving/supervising, my input is not error. I’ll relent when I can sleep, or sit in the back seat.

ELON YOU ARE WRONG!

 

[hemiarch]

ELON YOU ARE WRONG!

I think you have to say it three times though like “Candyman” or “Beetlegeuse”

 

[CyberGus]

Elon believes that “all input is error.”

It is correct that “all unnecessary input is error”, but IDK if that’s what Elon meant.

If my truck won’t take my input, what does it even need me for??

 

[hemiarch]

It is correct that “all unnecessary input is error”, but IDK if that’s what Elon meant.

If my truck won’t take my input, what does it even need me for??

It doesnt. You’re worthless and should be grown in a pod for energy.

 

[CyberGus]

My current FSD tries to do 50 in school zones sometimes when there are literally children everywhere

School zone speed limits are designed to account for oblivious children that run into the street, and for drivers with poor visibility and reaction times. I’ll take FSD at 50 MPH over a slow-rolling human checking their phone.

Pedestrian-avoidance is a FSD high priority. It’s basically always driving like it’s in a school zone. With all the weird things FSD does, I’ve never heard of a pedestrian collision.

That said, exceeding the posted speed is still illegal, even when your advanced robot does it lol.

 

[CyberGus]

You’re worthless and should be grown in a pod for energy.

I’ve checked. Sitting on the couch generates like 200mv max.

 

[dalton108]

It is correct that “all unnecessary input is error”, but IDK if that’s what Elon meant.

If my truck won’t take my input, what does it even need me for??

Comic relief?

 

[hemiarch]

I’ve checked. Sitting on the couch generates like 200mv max.

Maybe you are just not snacking enough?

 

[dalton108]

School zone speed limits are designed to account for oblivious children that run into the street, and for drivers with poor visibility and reaction times. I’ll take FSD at 50 MPH over a slow-rolling human checking their phone.

Pedestrian-avoidance is a FSD high priority. It’s basically always driving like it’s in a school zone. With all the weird things FSD does, I’ve never heard of a pedestrian collision.

That said, exceeding the posted speed is still illegal, even when your advanced robot does it lol.

I’m going to have a lot to say about this pretty soon. Stay tuned.

 

[hemiarch]

I’m going to have a lot to say about this pretty soon. Stay tuned.

 

[CyberGus]

Maybe you are just not snacking enough?

The bathroom scale disagrees.

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