To Beast or not To Beast: That is My question.

[Jethro]

I agree! Note that there are also people who have never sat in a vehicle that has the same acceleration as 911 Turbo S, which costs $300K. Is that needed for a truck? Absolutely not! Is that something some people dig? Absolutely yes! Otherwise Tesla had no reason to put Trimotor and boast about Porsche 911 level acceleration if there is no market for it.

I don’t think Beast is just for show off or to get chicks. Some people do like sports car driving experience. If they are getting that in a vehicle that can do some of the truck stuff, it’s best of both worlds. Tesla wants to get customers from both sides. They don’t want just the Truck guys. They want more of everything but not one of the same thing, unlike Rivian or Ford. You’ll see people from Kim Kardashians to Ranch owners buying CT. Just because Beast power and acceleration is not needed for Truck purposes doesn’t mean it’s a waste of money. Some see that has paying 20K extra to get Track performance cars that cost a fortune. Beast version is an absolutely brilliant choice made by Tesla. Those who need the best of both worlds now have an option. Traditional truck owners don’t need that performance, but that doesn’t mean there is no demand for it.

I agree! Beast is not for everyone…I question my decision considering the LONG wait times. I enjoy street and off road racing…especially in sand where power is everything. CT will be very interesting in rock crawling too…dual motors in the rear will make a difference if it’s anything like the Rivian.
Payload and towing is another issue. I routinely travel to the mountains and deserts across the mountain states for expended period with my Silverado HD…4000lb payload and 7000lb trailer and would like more power.
20K is modest amount for such a dramatize increase in power.

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[akenis]

PowerShare is useless in South Florida without the ability to handle AC start up load. If you are looking to run whole home for a couple days to ride out the distribution grid outages after a hurricane then seek other options and possibly an AWD CT if the $4000 credit and PowerShare was a selling point.

Add a PW3 which supports 185 LCA. Or install a soft start for AC. From my perspective, PW3 is a no brainer. It makes everything eligible for 30% tax credit and allows seamless transition during outages, and load shifting (charge battery off peak when rates are low, and use it during peak.). Add solar later.

 

[Treynor]

Great Admiration & jealousy when I see a CT beast. However, for me & my personal pocketbook, I will get the AWD FS. I would rather spend my extra $20,000 on a possible range extender, lighting, black matte wrap, and aftermarket accessories.

I will still see a beast & wonder what it is like to own one, but I know that I would not regret buying my AWD FS.

I have owned several F-250’s and recently an F-350 dually. One of my subcontractors drives an F-450.

I see his side hood logo & pretty much think that is one hell of a muscle truck. But that is as far at it goes. Still no regrets that I don’t own the 450.

Debt free feels better.
I can’t afford the beast so I make reasons not to buy it. Ha!!

 

[CYBEAST]

Do you want to say “it’s a Cyberbeast” or “it’s an Awd”? The name alone is worth the extra $20k ?

 

[FlipSixThreeHole]

Showerthought:

Scenario 1. FSD Robotaxi Network Works:

Take delivery of an AWD Cybertruck now >>> wait to see if Robotaxi Network works, if it does work commit Cybertruck to the Tesla Network while not in personal use to generate additional revenue >>> use additional revenue to buy second AWD Cybertruck >>> commit both trucks to Robotaxi Network >>> use revenues from both trucks to buy third AWD Cybertruck >>> use revenues from the three AWD Cybertrucks to buy a Cyberbeast that has hopefully now shipped with many improvements (especially more range.) This would be multiple years after operating the the AWD Cybertrucks as robotaxi.

Scenario 2. FSD Robotaxi Network does not come to fruition:

Take delivery of an AWD Cybertuck now >>> Robotaxi Network does not work and there is no way to earn revenue from rideshare >>> take the depreciation hit and trade in the AWD Cybertruck for a Cyberbeast (again, with the hopes that in 2-3 years improvements have been made to range ect.)

Scenario 3. Start With Cyberbeast:

Start with Cyberbeast >>> woudn't want to commit a 120k+ vehicle to ridesharing so that would put the kaibosh on that avenue >>> If range and other parameters are improved on, take the depreciation hit and upgrade in 2-3 years to the improved Cyberbeast.


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What do you guys think?

 

[Balthezor]

People really think robotaxis is coming soon? Government is so slow with regulation, I can't imagine this happening any time soon.

 

[cybrtrk88]

Picked up my AWD, thing is crazy fast still. We also have an S Plaid and no regrets without Beast.

 

[lowtek]

I appreciate the differing views and opinions. It’s apparent that the cyberbeast is, aside from racing, getting chicks, and the PowerShare bonus, certainly not anymore practical for “truck purposes “ than the AWD version. However, it is very badass (as CyberFreak very clearly points out) and I guess that’s the point. I’m still undecided but the discussion helps!

Mo' powa! (insert ape grunts here)

It's for fun, that's it, and that's why I'm buying one. No other reason. Oh, the truck utility, so I can assault Home Depot every Saturday morning and very occasionally haul or tow.

 

[Broski]

Picked up my AWD, thing is crazy fast still. We also have an S Plaid and no regrets without Beast.

Nice. I’d probably skip the Beast as well if I had an S Plaid

 

[HaulingAss]

After seeing some posts of reservation holders with RNs similar to mine receiving their order invitations, I’m hopeful that one of these days (or weeks or months) I’ll receive my own invitation. However, I’m fairly undecided about whether to go for the Cyberbeast or the two motor version. I drive rough roads regularly for work and I’m guessing the beast will be a little more reliable on the rougher roads but aside from that, is it a better choice for the extra 20+k?
Have any of you gone all in for the cyberbeast and regretted paying the extra money? Alternatively, have any of you opted for the more modest dual motor truck and are now kicking yourself for not paying the extra cash for the beast?

I have been driving all kinds of rough roads in my Dual Motor and it's brilliant.

Either will work equally well on rough roads. The Dual Motor has 230 less pounds to deal with so the Beast will feel ever so slightly more "solid" while the Dual Motor's suspension will have to do less work on bump compliance. If you want that slightly more solid feeling, just pack around 230 more pounds of ballast in the Dual Motor to compensate.

The beast might have a slight advantage if the route is very steep, rugged and slippery because it won't have to engage the rear locking differential to achieve better traction.

 

[HaulingAss]

That said BOTH the AWD and Beast are bad deals when compared to other EV trucks (Rivian, Ford) and upcoming EVs (GMC).

That's funny. Your definition of value is different from mine. Have you ever tried kicking a Rivian? What would cost $10,000-$20,000 to repair on a Rivian probably wouldn't even leave a mark on the Cybertruck.

Rivian R1T is a pretty nice EV for what it is, but it's not a pickup truck, the bed is too tiny to be taken seriously. I might loosely call it a "truck" in the same way a Jeep is a "truck", for it's ruggedness off-road, but it doesn't have anywhere near enough hauling capacity volume wise to meet my definition of a pickup truck. The bed is barely a foot and a half deep it's entire length (which is only 4 feet). The Cybertruck is substantially bigger, both the bed and the passenger cabin.

As to value, the Rivian was priced a lot higher during it's rollout, the Cybertruck "Foundation" pricing will be gone before too long too, leaving it the clear value leader.

 

[HaulingAss]

It's overkill unless 20k is pocket change to you, then by all means, order one.

At my age, if i got one, id probably get 5-10 pulls of the extra 245hp before never using it again

I didn't know you were so aged.

 

[HaulingAss]

Does anyone know with the extra torque will the range be better while towing with the beast?

No, the Beast will be slightly worse in terms of relative range when towing due to having to use the two less efficient AC induction motors in the rear more often.

In electric drive motors, torque is very proportional to consumption in most of the rpm/torque curve. It's mostly a matter of motor efficiency, and the Beast has two AC induction motors which are less efficient than the permanent magnet motor that's in the rear of the Dual Motor.

 

[HaulingAss]

I routinely travel to the mountains and deserts across the mountain states for expended period with my Silverado HD…4000lb payload and 7000lb trailer and would like more power.
20K is modest amount for such a dramatize increase in power.

In terms of acceleration up steep grades while loaded, even the Dual Motor Cybertruck will put your Silverado to shame!

 

[Jason Carlisle]

No, the Beast will be slightly worse in terms of relative range when towing due to having to use the two less efficient AC induction motors in the rear more often.

In electric drive motors, torque is very proportional to consumption in most of the rpm/torque curve. It's mostly a matter of motor efficiency, and the Beast has two AC induction motors which are less efficient than the permanent magnet motor that's in the rear of the Dual Motor.

Thank you so much!

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