Women sues Tesla claiming Cybertruck crash caused by FSD (video). Musk responds & owners test with their own FSD

[cyberHoward]

UPDATE:

Since the video was posted, Tesla owners have tested FSD at the same location and none have crashed or died!

“I tested it twice today with Tesla FSD engaged the entire time with zero human intervention. And unless you think I am a hologram speaking to you from another dimension now, it worked out really well. Here is the video of me taking the exact same curve twice, with Tesla FSD v14.2.2.5.”

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Article https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...ck-nearly-drive-mom-baby-off-overpass-lawsuit

A Texas woman is suing Tesla for a million dollars, claiming her Cybertruck crashed while it was in self-driving mode.





Musk responds:

Musk has now responded directly to those claims, saying on X that internal data shows Autopilot (or FSD, as Autopilot has never been available on the Cybertruck) was disengaged 4 seconds before impact.

“Logs show driver disengaged Autopilot four seconds before crashing,” Musk said, adding, “As anyone knows who uses it, that video is not how Autopilot drives.”

According to Musk’s comments, the vehicle was under full manual control during the critical moments leading up to the collision, from around this frame in the video.

This detail is significant, as it directly challenges the central claim in the lawsuit—that the Cybertruck was operating autonomously when it veered off course.

In the footage, the Cybertruck initially appears to follow the curve of the overpass before abruptly continuing straight, and perhaps even accelerating into the barrier, which could indicate driver confusion or a delayed reaction.

The plaintiff’s legal team maintains that the system failed and that the driver attempted to regain control too late to avoid the crash. The lawsuit also alleges Tesla misrepresented the capabilities of its driver-assistance technology and failed to implement sufficient safety redundancies.

While Musk posted his comments on X, Tesla has not formally responded to the lawsuit, and the case remains in its early stages. The case will likely continue, and as more telemetry data becomes available through discovery, a clearer picture of what happened in the moments before the crash is likely to emerge. - (via Drivetesla)

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[btcrealm]

I've had a lot of FSD disengagements. Bad weather is almost always the cause.
Every time while it was screaming at me and flashing red on the screen it was slowing down. Neither of those events (Cybertruck now or Y on reddit) were slowing down at all. Both times the person had to have their foot on the gas (yes I said it) to keep up the speed.
I've also had FSD disengage because it was pissed I was forcing the speed when it wanted to slow down. Hmm....

 

[Pops]

Are you really that gullible that you think FSD just randomly disengaged in the middle of a curvy interstate road, resulting in a crash without displaying a "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification?

This isn't proof of anything other than the guy crashed his car and is lying about it. If he really had any proof the media would be tearing it to pieces.

Its absolutely wild you refuse to even consider something is possible, even after seeing evidence. You don't have to buy it 100%, but to outright say the proof is invalid is something else.

I can assure you my FSD disengages regularly on my Model Y. Sometimes seemingly without any reason. Straight roads, no extreme weather. Its become so regular I am keeping track of the time stamps and will be taking into service soon so they can review the logs.

 

[malinecentral]

Its absolutely wild you refuse to even consider something is possible, even after seeing evidence. You don't have to buy it 100%, but to outright say the proof is invalid is something else.

I can assure you my FSD disengages regularly on my Model Y. Sometimes seemingly without any reason. Straight roads, no extreme weather. Its become so regular I am keeping track of the time stamps and will be taking into service soon so they can review the logs.

If true then something is absolutely wrong with your vehicle and you should be extra vigilant when using FSD until you get it fixed. That is not normal behavior at all.

 

[REM]

Its absolutely wild you refuse to even consider something is possible, even after seeing evidence. You don't have to buy it 100%, but to outright say the proof is invalid is something else.

I can assure you my FSD disengages regularly on my Model Y. Sometimes seemingly without any reason. Straight roads, no extreme weather. Its become so regular I am keeping track of the time stamps and will be taking into service soon so they can review the logs.

I like the part where you completely ignored my simple questions.

 

[Pops]

I like the part where you completely ignored my simple questions.

Are you really that gullible that you think FSD just randomly disengaged in the middle of a curvy interstate road, resulting in a crash without displaying a "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification?

Here is the answer to your question:
I dont know why you are assuming the driver didnt get the notification. The video is of the dashcams during a crash. It would not show a a "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification in that video. That notification only shows inside the vehicle.

When the a "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification happens, that is a disengagement. The vehicle immediately stops self driving. I can tell you from experience when I see the notification the vehicle stops steering (it goes straight) and decelerates immediately.

So we do not know if the driver got the notification or not. In my eyes its equally likely the driver grabbed the wheel and steered into the center divide as FSD disengaged and crashed into the wall. It happened in less than 1 second by the way.

 

[Cactusrick]

I'm getting the popcorn......and lysergic acid diethylamide ?

 

[Pops]

A found a clip of what happens when a Tesla gives the "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification. Its not a dramatic video, its only to demonstrate the behavior of the car when the alert happens. You can see if this alert happened in a turn and you dont respond fast enough, you could crash into a center divide.

2 things to note:

1. The car immediately starts to slow down, but not quickly
2. The highway is turning, notice the driver turns the wheel to the left to stay in the lane.

 

[HaulingAss]

A found a clip of what happens when a Tesla gives the "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification. Its not a dramatic video, its only to demonstrate the behavior of the car when the alert happens. You can see if this alert happened in a turn and you dont respond fast enough, you could crash into a center divide.

2 things to note:

1. The car immediately starts to slow down, but not quickly
2. The highway is turning, notice the driver turns the wheel to the left to stay in the lane.

I think the two narratives that both can't be true are:

1) That FSD will disengage without warning
2) That it warns you first and gives you time to take over naturally.

My experience has always been #2 (and the video above supports that).

 

[Pops]

I think the two narratives that both can't be true are:

1) That FSD will disengage without warning
2) That it warns you first and gives you time to take over naturally.

My experience has always been #2 (and the video above supports that).

Maybe I missed it. Honest question, who is claiming this? The warning AND the disengagement are the same thing. When you see the warning, the vehicle is no longer self driving (its only going straight and slowing down). As shown in the video.

Edit: A better way to put it is there is no warning before disengagement. The warning and disengagement happen at the same time

 

[REM]

Here is the answer to your question:
I dont know why you are assuming the driver didnt get the notification. The video is of the dashcams during a crash. It would not show a a "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification in that video. That notification only shows inside the vehicle.

When the a "TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY" notification happens, that is a disengagement. The vehicle immediately stops self driving. I can tell you from experience when I see the notification the vehicle stops steering (it goes straight) and decelerates immediately.

So we do not know if the driver got the notification or not. In my eyes its equally likely the driver grabbed the wheel and steered into the center divide as FSD disengaged and crashed into the wall. It happened in less than 1 second by the way.

Because I actually searched through the reddit thread and found people asking him for the telemetry files, and he uploaded one irrelevant portion and then disappeared when people kept asking for the whole set of files that would backup his claim.

 

[baska]

Federal law requires mechanical releases on both front doors but none are required on rear doors. Tesla added them out of an abundance of caution. It's up to the owners to read the Owner's Manual. If you think they should be more visible, I suggest (as a first step) lobbying the DOT to require manual releases on rear passenger doors in the first place, and to make them more visible, in the second place.

That said, in this case it sounds like the teenagers were so loaded on drugs and alcohol, and the crash was at such a high speed, they probably wouldn't have been able to get themselves out if the emergency door release had flashing blue and red lights on it. They might have just said, "Bro! Wow! That's so psychedelic! What is happening?"

You can't save people who put themselves in such situations from their own stupidity. Being sober when you crash goes a LONG ways towards being able to get out. It's hard enough to climb to whatever door isn't crushed shut or blocked by a stone wall or tree trunk when 100% sober, trying to do it while loaded up on intoxicants can make it next to impossible. When people reach a certain level of intoxication they can lose their will and ability to take action.

Absolutely agree.

It’s wild how quickly people blame the tech before looking at the driver. FSD is a tool, not a miracle worker. If you're flying at triple-digit speeds or incapacitated, no amount of engineering can bypass physics or poor choices.

The door release argument is also a bit of a reach. The manual is there for a reason, and hidden releases are a standard child-safety feature. Honestly, if alcohol was a factor in the crash, it's a reminder of why tech like Intoxalock exists. Yes, nobody wants a breathalyzer in their car, but sometimes that kind of proactive safety is the only thing that actually stops a bad decision before it turns into a high-speed wreck, especially if we are talking about teenagers.

 

[hemiarch]

It's difficult to discourage frivolous lawsuits without impeding legitimate claims. Have the loser pay legal fees can be a deterrent, but only if the plaintiff has something to lose.

We live in a litigious society, I don't think it's anything new. Most people will roll the dice if given a 1% chance at millions of dollars (or a even a "nuisance" settlement).

I think at-fault drivers never believe they are at fault simply because their perception of events is incorrect ("why was it going faster when I was pressing on the brake??").

It’s the same thing in healthcare. The reason society puts up with outrageous lawsuits filed against people trying to save other people’s lives is to protect the innocent against someone who may egregiously be endangering vulnerable patients. And yet, a good proportion of these lawsuits are settled out of court or hurried through by the legal system which almost always errs on the side of the plaintiff resulting in enormous cost to the healthcare system that’s eventually transmitted to other patients.
Some states have chosen to cap these settlements and verdicts.

 

[JCERRN]

Maybe I missed it. Honest question, who is claiming this? The warning AND the disengagement are the same thing. When you see the warning, the vehicle is no longer self driving (its only going straight and slowing down). As shown in the video.

Edit: A better way to put it is there is no warning before disengagement. The warning and disengagement happen at the same time

This isnt accurate. I had the “take over immediately” blaring alam happen during a snow storm. Fsd doesnt just release the controls when this happens.

 

[JCERRN]

It’s the same thing in healthcare. The reason society puts up with outrageous lawsuits filed against people trying to save other people’s lives is to protect the innocent against someone who may egregiously be endangering vulnerable patients. And yet, a good proportion of these lawsuits are settled out of court or hurried through by the legal system which almost always errs on the side of the plaintiff resulting in enormous cost to the healthcare system that’s eventually transmitted to other patients.
Some states have chosen to cap these settlements and verdicts.

It’s the same thing in healthcare. The reason society puts up with outrageous lawsuits filed against people trying to save other people’s lives is to protect the innocent against someone who may egregiously be endangering vulnerable patients. And yet, a good proportion of these lawsuits are settled out of court or hurried through by the legal system which almost always errs on the side of the plaintiff resulting in enormous cost to the healthcare system that’s eventually transmitted to other patients.
Some states have chosen to cap these settlements and verdicts.

So many dont understand this. Im an ER provider and this is the forefront of almost every patient that comes in. “How would this look in court?”

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