Are there superchargers that don’t “accept free supercharging”?

[Outdoors]

So now it’s, mostly-free unlimited supercharging. You changed the rules mid-contract fuckers.
Bet you when they are spacing the superchargers on a map it won’t matter which are Tesla owned and therefore free and which are purchased by someone and therefore not.
It’s a minimally impactful thing for me honestly, but it’s another example of how you can’t trust a thing that Tesla tells you because it could change at any moment. The FSD language is also quite different now than when I bought it for the first time for $3k in 2016.
I bought it thrice more after that always knowing that the “lifetime” and “future hardware and software” and “autonomous” part was bullshit.
I think there were however a lot of people who didn’t clearly understand the arrangements were changeable by Tesla at any time.
They should be footing the bill for people with free unlimited lifetime supercharging who plug into these if they are going to require payment to the owner.
There is an almost zero chance this is happening but they are probably at risk of some legal beagle taking them to court over it.
What if they changed their business model to all third party owned superchargers? They are no longer required to give me free supercharging?

Your childish quote below is what I reference. ????????????
So now it’s, mostly-free unlimited supercharging. You changed the rules mid-contract fuckers.
Bet you when they are spacing the superchargers on a map it won’t matter which are Tesla owned and therefore free and which are purchased by someone and therefore not.
It’s a minimally impactful thing for me honestly, but it’s another example of how you can’t trust a thing that Tesla tells you because it could change at any moment. The FSD language is also quite different now than when I bought it for the first time for $3k in 2016.
I bought it thrice more after that always knowing that the “lifetime” and “future hardware and software” and “autonomous” part was bullshit.
I think there were however a lot of people who didn’t clearly understand the arrangements were changeable by Tesla at any time.
They should be footing the bill for people with free unlimited lifetime supercharging who plug into these if they are going to require payment to the owner.
There is an almost zero chance this is happening but they are probably at risk of some legal beagle taking them to court over it.
What if they changed their business model to all third party owned superchargers? They are no longer required to give me free supercharging?


Grow up @hemiarch. A big rant. Big boy.

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[SlegMD]

Haha go Tesla!

Free Supercharging is now Free Supercharging*

I’d be annoyed too

 

[hemiarch]

Your childish quote below is what I reference. ????????????
So now it’s, mostly-free unlimited supercharging. You changed the rules mid-contract fuckers.
Bet you when they are spacing the superchargers on a map it won’t matter which are Tesla owned and therefore free and which are purchased by someone and therefore not.
It’s a minimally impactful thing for me honestly, but it’s another example of how you can’t trust a thing that Tesla tells you because it could change at any moment. The FSD language is also quite different now than when I bought it for the first time for $3k in 2016.
I bought it thrice more after that always knowing that the “lifetime” and “future hardware and software” and “autonomous” part was bullshit.
I think there were however a lot of people who didn’t clearly understand the arrangements were changeable by Tesla at any time.
They should be footing the bill for people with free unlimited lifetime supercharging who plug into these if they are going to require payment to the owner.
There is an almost zero chance this is happening but they are probably at risk of some legal beagle taking them to court over it.
What if they changed their business model to all third party owned superchargers? They are no longer required to give me free supercharging?

I love your mastery of the bold function. It’s very well done. I still don’t agree with you.

 

[Outdoors]

I love your mastery of the bold function. It’s very well done. I still don’t agree with you.

The bold was to show how childish you act. When you just didn't look back at it like the highly educated person you are. You ranted on a intranet forum maybe because those around you don't care for you, and here you get to express your misguided Tesla charging thoughts. That's awesome. Everyone is welcome to share.

You must be a blind trauma surgeon then. They don't say Tesla you might have to pay. Sorry. Get those small surgeon glasses off and put the normal ones on.

 

[hemiarch]

The bold was to show how childish you act. When you just didn't look back at it like a highly educated person would. You ranted on a intranet forum maybe because those around you don't care for you, and here you get to express your misguided Tesla charging thoughts. That's awesome. Everyone is welcome to share.

You must be a blind trauma surgeon then. They don't say Tesla you might have to pay. Sorry. Get those small surgeon glasses off and put the normal ones on.

Whew. The people around me care for me just fine. Sorry you’re hurting.
Happy to hear what it’s really about if you need a friend. And if you don’t, please go elsewhere. Clearly this isn’t the thread for you.
I don’t want to be responsible for raising your blood pressure any further.
Stroke risk and all that.
Have a nice Saturday.

 

[Outdoors]

@hemiarch

People get emotionally attached to free stuff, especially when it's been free for years — it's not always logic, it's entitlement. The chargers might look like Tesla's, but they're now privately owned and the electricity costs real money that the business pays. If you got free coffee at Starbucks for life and they started licensing their machines to local cafes, you wouldn't demand the local cafe keep giving you free coffee, right? Same principle. The "looks and feels like Tesla" argument is just nostalgia, not a contract. Yet it is your Saturday too. Hold that pint high before you cut someone up this afternoon.

Made this for you. At Ad Astra we start young in understanding basic principals that laypeople have trouble with.

 

[hemiarch]

@hemiarch

People get emotionally attached to free stuff, especially when it's been free for years — it's not always logic, it's entitlement. The chargers might look like Tesla's, but they're now privately owned and the electricity costs real money that the business pays. If you got free coffee at Starbucks for life and they started licensing their machines to local cafes, you wouldn't demand the local cafe keep giving you free coffee, right? Same principle. The "looks and feels like Tesla" argument is just nostalgia, not a contract. Yet it is your Saturday too. Hold that pint high before you cut someone up this afternoon.

Made this for you. At Ad Astra we start young in understanding basic principals that laypeople have trouble with.

Condescension does not unfortunately make your argument more correct no matter how much you try to intensify it sir. Speaking louder, bolder or more violently doesn’t either. This is a a common misconception of mental midgets.
I’m a reasonably educated conversation partner capable of processing information without your remedial animation help, but I appreciate that you’re spending your Saturday making cartoon figures to try and help me. I’m at work getting paid to wait for trauma to roll in, I’m guessing you’re….not. Zero chance I’d be giving you any of my time if the other option was my family. We mutually like spending time together.
Here is the part that’s missing in your logic.
My arrangement with Tesla was that I would charge for free ANYWHERE they offered supercharging. Yes, the supercharging being offered at these stations is not being offered by Tesla but by someone else. That is correct. Even you can follow that logic.
However, if the supercharger is placed there by someone else, it also makes it unnecessary for Tesla to put one owned by them in a nearby location.
So let’s say that your friends Jim’s Grocers puts one of these in a store in BF New Mexico and that’s the halfway point of a road that travels elsewhere, Tesla is not also going to build a supercharger two miles from there. It wouldn’t make sense for network growth.
This means that if I want to travel that stretch of road, my only option is to stop and charge at Jim’s grocery. Right now that’s a negligible amount of money that only a cheapskate would “whine” about, but it doesn’t have to stay that way. Especially once our friend Jim realizes they are the only game in town.
Further, Tesla is still collecting revenue from Jim which is in turn collecting money from me. This arguably means that by changing or relogoing those superchargers and fee collection mechanism, they are bypassing the contract we made and still collecting my money.

 

[Outdoors]

Condescension does not unfortunately make your argument more correct no matter how much you try to intensify it sir. Speaking louder, bolder or more violently doesn’t either. This is a a common misconception of mental midgets.
I’m a reasonably educated conversation partner capable of processing information without your remedial animation help, but I appreciate that you’re spending your Saturday making cartoon figures to try and help me.
Here is the part that’s missing in your logic.
My arrangement with Tesla was that I would charge for free ANYWHERE they offered supercharging. Yes, the supercharging being offered at these stations is not being offered by Tesla but by someone else. That is correct. Even you can follow that logic.
However, if the supercharger is placed there by someone else it also makes it unnecessary for Tesla to put one owned by them in a nearby location.
So let’s say that your friends Jim’s Grocers puts one of these in a store in BF New Mexico and that’s the halfway point of a road that travels elsewhere, Tesla is not also going to build a supercharger two miles from there. It wouldn’t make sense for network growth.
This means that if I want to travel that stretch of road, my only option is to stop and charge at Jim’s grocery. Right now that’s a negligible amount of money that only a cheapskate would “whine” about, but it doesn’t have to stay that way. Especially once our friend Jim realizes they are the only game in town.
Further, Tesla is still collecting revenue from Jim which is in turn collecting money from me. This arguably means that by changing or relogoing those superchargers and fee collection mechanism, they are bypassing the contract we made and still collecting my money.

I don't agree with you. Just being you. Peace out. Moved to ignore. Bye.

 

[hemiarch]

I don't agree with you. Just being you. Peace out. Moved to ignore. Bye.

I wear that as badge of honor. You have done me a great service. I on the other hand will not block you because I’m able to represent myself and defend my opinions without violence or cowardly resignation.

 

[Outdoors]

Condescension does not unfortunately make your argument more correct no matter how much you try to intensify it sir. Speaking louder, bolder or more violently doesn’t either. This is a a common misconception of mental midgets.
I’m a reasonably educated conversation partner capable of processing information without your remedial animation help, but I appreciate that you’re spending your Saturday making cartoon figures to try and help me.
Here is the part that’s missing in your logic.
My arrangement with Tesla was that I would charge for free ANYWHERE they offered supercharging. Yes, the supercharging being offered at these stations is not being offered by Tesla but by someone else. That is correct. Even you can follow that logic.
However, if the supercharger is placed there by someone else, it also makes it unnecessary for Tesla to put one owned by them in a nearby location.
So let’s say that your friends Jim’s Grocers puts one of these in a store in BF New Mexico and that’s the halfway point of a road that travels elsewhere, Tesla is not also going to build a supercharger two miles from there. It wouldn’t make sense for network growth.
This means that if I want to travel that stretch of road, my only option is to stop and charge at Jim’s grocery. Right now that’s a negligible amount of money that only a cheapskate would “whine” about, but it doesn’t have to stay that way. Especially once our friend Jim realizes they are the only game in town.
Further, Tesla is still collecting revenue from Jim which is in turn collecting money from me. This arguably means that by changing or relogoing those superchargers and fee collection mechanism, they are bypassing the contract we made and still collecting my money.

Amazing you must work for Tesla. You know the things they are going to do before they do. Sure Jim is going to put up 4 stalls. Tesla is putting in locations with 30-60+ stalls all over the country. Yep 4 stalls matters. Such a small mind. Dip shit thoughts doesn't make Nutella. They make shit.


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Yes @hemiarch figured it out. Tesla is going to stop making Tesla branded superchargers and make everyone go to little mom and pop stores that want to put in 4 superchargers. It was the biggest scam ever. Now we will be hunting to find out the free ones. I am sure he will say Tesla will start ripping out the Tesla ones as they he has free unlimited supercharging and they want him out of it. stop quoting me....

 

[hemiarch]

Amazing you must work for Tesla. You know the things they are going to do before they do. Sure Jim is going to put up 4 stalls. Tesla is putting in locations with 30-60+ stalls all over the country. Yep 4 stalls matters. Such a small mind. Dip shit thoughts doesn't make Nutella. They make shit.

Wait, I thought you were blocking me? One can only hope. I do love me some Nutella.
Also. I happen to love just being me.

 

[CyberGus]

Damnit boys, do NOT make me pull this thread over

 

[hemiarch]

Damnit boys, do NOT make me pull this thread over

Hey man, I’m expressing an opinion about something I just learned about. I have unpopular opinions about how Tesla energy handles non-Tesla vehicles at superchargers too.
Well aware very few other members agree with my viewpoint on that. That’s ok. A range of opinions, backgrounds, textures, languages and so forth is ACTUALLY what makes America great.
I’m honestly as big of a Tesla geek as anyone else here and a decade plus above-average supporter of both products and stock, but that doesn’t mean I have to smile and say thank you every time Tesla fucks its customers in the ass. Unless they really like it. No judgment. You can be whoever you want to be @Outdoors.
This is something they have done more than once. You might even say a pattern. I don’t think anyone who has owned a Tesla for any extended period can honestly argue against that.
I feel it’s appropriate to feel a little wronged when a contract is materially changed after it’s enacted and I don’t think it matters how small of an economic hardship it produces. It’s the principle of the matter.

 

[EWELON]

im hoping they honor their commitment to my M3 with purchased FSD but with HW3….

and I never do understand the tesla fan on tesla fan hate when one of us states an opinion. weird behavior.

 

[hemiarch]

im hoping they honor their commitment to my M3 with purchased FSD but with HW3….

and I never do understand the tesla fan on tesla fan hate when one of us states an opinion. weird behavior.

It kind of sounds like they are committed to honoring those. Pretty costly thing I’d imagine to upgrade all the hardware but I wonder how far they can stretch this autonomy-light concept with software. Maybe if the more sophisticated computers like hw4 and hw5 were doing the data collection and the processing was being done centrally that would free up the resources for the hw3 equipped machines to run it effectively? I don’t know. Hopeful though. Tesla does amazing things on the regular.
And as for the hate towards people who are supposed to be friends, hate is hate and is in and of itself the enemy.
Once you allow yourself to let that into your heart for one group it becomes easier and easier to do that for other groups.
It’s tough for people to accept that especially when political interests that stand to benefit from hate continue to apply pressure, but the truth is that it’s never ok. Towards anyone.
That’s what it means to be “the good guys”. That’s who we are supposed to be in general as a nation right? The good guys?

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