Are there superchargers that don’t “accept free supercharging”?

[hemiarch]

So funny. You must be confused or be thinking of someone else because again I'll state for the second time. That Tesla is not a very good corporate citizen if you ask me. My experience with them has been good at times and lackluster more often than not recently.

And the stuff that they do play the in the legal world is quite shady. Didn't they withhold evidence or Stonewall or slow walk information to a plaintiff on the death case down in Florida?

But let's get back to the point. These are privately owned superchargers with no Tesla logos on them. They are not part of the Tesla supercharging Network unless you decide you want to enable the search function for them.

And those that think that Tesla is going to stop making superchargers in force others to make them. All while slowly eliminate the free supercharging which is being phased out anyway and probably in 9 years probably won't be a factor to most people. One word delusional. And just fueling fire because you again just want to hear yourself speak.

Could you imagine all the people going in and out of tiny little grocery stores that only have four stalls put up?

What I think Tesla is trying to do is accommodate the business user. If you look at the business cases from Europe and China that Tesla talks about, you'll see that people go and use those businesses and get more foot traffic. Does it make sense to me from a business owner's perspective? Not really. It will be very expensive and I don't know if there is an roi on that one. I'm sure someone will say that Tesla is making so much money from this project that it's going to add not cents to their earnings but dollars. A fairy tale I would say.

I think some here think that this is going to be the next way it's expanded. I think we're going to see a very very small number of these going in.

That was pretty coherent and useful to progressing the conversation. I agree with most of it actually. It’s a valid perspective.
If you could just get rid of the “fueling the fire yada yada…hear yourself speak” parts , you would come across as an intelligent and contributory member of this community and not a sociopath.

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[Outdoors]

That was pretty coherent and useful to progressing the conversation. I agree with most of it actually. It’s a valid perspective.
If you could just get rid of the “fueling the fire yada yada…hear yourself speak” parts , you would come across as an intelligent and contributory member of this community and not a sociopath.

Sorry, but I would define someone that is a sociopath as that cannot reason with basic common sense and if not understanding the difference between superchargers that are not labeled Tesla and ones that are. That fits in the DSM for you somewhere I am sure. Maybe not perfectly, but I'm sure there's at least two or three characteristics in there for you.

If there's a horse in the world, I'm sure you've beat it to death 10 times over with your thought processes on just about any argument that you may make in your life.



Well thanks for basically agreeing with me. But again, you seem not to be able to agree with anything that anybody makes a comment about except for your at CJ friend Dalton.

 

[hemiarch]

Sorry, but I would define someone that is a sociopath as that cannot reason with basic common sense and if not understanding the difference between superchargers that are not labeled Tesla and ones that are. That fits in the DSM for you somewhere I am sure. Maybe not perfectly, but I'm sure there's at least two or three characteristics in there for you.

If there's a horse in the world, I'm sure you've beat it to death 10 times over with your thought processes on just about any argument that you may make in your life.



Well thanks for basically agreeing with me. But again, you seem not to be able to agree with anything that anybody makes a comment about except for your at CJ friend Dalton.

Good thing it’s not you doing the defining in this world.

 

[CyberGus]

So this forum has a doctor and a lawyer, now all we need is a psychotherapist

And maybe a bartender?

 

[hemiarch]

So this forum has a doctor and a lawyer, now all we need is a psychotherapist

And maybe a bartender?

No rabbi though? Or priest?

 

[CyberGus]

No rabbi though? Or priest?

I need a young priest, and an old priest

 

[hemiarch]

I need a young priest, and an old priest

That’s totally what we need to add into this shitshow of a thread…ageism humor.
Have at it Gus…I’m gonna spectate for a while.

 

[CyberGus]

That’s totally what we need to add into this shitshow of a thread…ageism humor.

The old/young priest requirement is from The Exorcist. Before your time? (1973)

 

[hemiarch]

The old/young priest requirement is from The Exorcist. Before your time? (1973)

Ah..did not get that reference. Seen the movie it just didn’t register. Never mind. Let the shitshow resume unabated.

 

[Cyberfamily]

Maybe a female's perspective. I am here by they way. Just because I am a nurse doesn't mean I don't deal with all of your bull shit all day. Doctors and lawyers and everything in between.

 

[dalton108]

The old/young priest requirement is from The Exorcist. Before your time? (1973)

I prefer the way they addressed this in “This is the End!”

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Condescension does not unfortunately make your argument more correct no matter how much you try to intensify it sir. Speaking louder, bolder or more violently doesn’t either. This is a a common misconception of mental midgets.
I’m a reasonably educated conversation partner capable of processing information without your remedial animation help, but I appreciate that you’re spending your Saturday making cartoon figures to try and help me. I’m at work getting paid to wait for trauma to roll in, I’m guessing you’re….not. Zero chance I’d be giving you any of my time if the other option was my family. We mutually like spending time together.
Here is the part that’s missing in your logic.
My arrangement with Tesla was that I would charge for free ANYWHERE they offered supercharging. Yes, the supercharging being offered at these stations is not being offered by Tesla but by someone else. That is correct. Even you can follow that logic.
However, if the supercharger is placed there by someone else, it also makes it unnecessary for Tesla to put one owned by them in a nearby location.
So let’s say that your friends Jim’s Grocers puts one of these in a store in BF New Mexico and that’s the halfway point of a road that travels elsewhere, Tesla is not also going to build a supercharger two miles from there. It wouldn’t make sense for network growth.
This means that if I want to travel that stretch of road, my only option is to stop and charge at Jim’s grocery. Right now that’s a negligible amount of money that only a cheapskate would “whine” about, but it doesn’t have to stay that way. Especially once our friend Jim realizes they are the only game in town.
Further, Tesla is still collecting revenue from Jim which is in turn collecting money from me. This arguably means that by changing or relogoing those superchargers and fee collection mechanism, they are bypassing the contract we made and still collecting my money.

There are MANY Supercharging locations that are nearby others, less than a half mile away. Many. Near my home on Kent Island we have WaWa and Royal Farms convenience/gas stores right next to each other, both with Tesla-owned Supercharging pylons. There’s another Tesla Supercharger four miles away. All three are never half full in my experience. Tesla clearly isn’t shy about supercharger adjacency.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Amazing you must work for Tesla. You know the things they are going to do before they do. Sure Jim is going to put up 4 stalls. Tesla is putting in locations with 30-60+ stalls all over the country. Yep 4 stalls matters. Such a small mind. Dip shit thoughts doesn't make Nutella. They make shit.


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Yes @hemiarch figured it out. Tesla is going to stop making Tesla branded superchargers and make everyone go to little mom and pop stores that want to put in 4 superchargers. It was the biggest scam ever. Now we will be hunting to find out the free ones. I am sure he will say Tesla will start ripping out the Tesla ones as they he has free unlimited supercharging and they want him out of it. stop quoting me....

An eight-stall Supercharger costs about $950k to install. Assuming $0.20 delta per kwh for gross power sales margin, I fail to make the investment math work. A private owner would need other incentives, because in today’s world construction cost for a McDonald’s or convenience store is under $3 milion, ex-land. Adding $1 million to that is a huge lift for what kind of return?.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Hey man, I’m expressing an opinion about something I just learned about. I have unpopular opinions about how Tesla energy handles non-Tesla vehicles at superchargers too.
Well aware very few other members agree with my viewpoint on that. That’s ok. A range of opinions, backgrounds, textures, languages and so forth is ACTUALLY what makes America great.
I’m honestly as big of a Tesla geek as anyone else here and a decade plus above-average supporter of both products and stock, but that doesn’t mean I have to smile and say thank you every time Tesla fucks its customers in the ass. Unless they really like it. No judgment. You can be whoever you want to be @Outdoors.
This is something they have done more than once. You might even say a pattern. I don’t think anyone who has owned a Tesla for any extended period can honestly argue against that.
I feel it’s appropriate to feel a little wronged when a contract is materially changed after it’s enacted and I don’t think it matters how small of an economic hardship it produces. It’s the principle of the matter.

The issue with this is that they changed NOTHING in your contract with the decision to essentially sell superchargers to private businesses or individuals and provide a referral service through the navigation or other app to allow you to find it. It is additive, not subtractive, unless you really believe that this decision will reduce your “free” supercharger alternatives. Which isn't how this works.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

… They will also not build a Tesla branded station next door because there is no need, that need is met for the area by Jim. What they should be doing is putting a stipulation that states - …

An unproven assertion on which the entire argument rests… and for which there is plenty of contra-evidence - unless you can show us a license agreement with Jim granting exclusive geographic rights to Supercharger provision, I think it’s pretty clear that Tesla has often and will continue to install Superchargers adjacent or nearby to an existing one. These are modern electrical outlets, not Falcon launch sites.

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