Rivian R1T Refresh (Gen 2) Dethrones CyberBeast? 0-60 in 2.5s

[Gurule92]

2.43!!!

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[Art O'Connor]

My reservation says Tesla will let me have a Quad CT in February 2025. Maybe this latest R1T model will be the hot poker that gets me my Quad sooner? And it will have the 500 miles of range Elon promised in 2019? Ah, I should fall asleep before I dream ....

I have found my plain 2024 X has all the acceleration I need. Acceleration is not the most important spec. Although I just beat a Mican S Turbo who tried to race me. I am in the right lane at a stop light. A vehicle pulls up on the left. I ignore it. The light changes and I hear loud noises and crashing gears! The Mican jumps out in front so I can see the rear and what it is. BS! I tickle the accelerator, but not all the way. By the next light, the Mican is small spot in rear view mirror and I hear no noise. Ahh ... quiet is more important than acceleration.

 

[Art O'Connor]

They do have a new FSD like thing coming on the new ones thanks to the new chps

i have FSD on my 2024 X. Not impressed. I have used it around town dozens of times and it has only completed one trip without messing up. Before I took delivery of the X, I was REQUIRED to endure a FSD demo. I did two - one in a Y and one in a S. Neither completed the task correctly. FSD is probably good on long trips on an Interstate, but it conked out on a trip from Reno to Topaz Lake on the way there and on the way back.

 

[Gurule92]

i have FSD on my 2024 X. Not impressed. I have used it around town dozens of times and it has only completed one trip without messing up. Before I took delivery of the X, I was REQUIRED to endure a FSD demo. I did two - one in a Y and one in a S. Neither completed the task correctly. FSD is probably good on long trips on an Interstate, but it conked out on a trip from Reno to Topaz Lake on the way there and on the way back.

Does conked out mean you were in autopilot jail? I use FSD all the time since the newer updates. It's pretty sweet especially around town. Highway has been good since nav on ap

 

[HaulingAss]

Well that wouldnt really matter car vs truck. It should come down to HP and Torque, and then the supporting axles and such to handle it. The GVWR of a Model X Plaid and a CT is a lot different so the strains would be significantly more on things like axles, cv, etc. Maybe the Plaid layout cant do 800v or Rear Wheel Steer in the space available?

Tesla could have simply grafted a Plaid powertrain into the Cyberbeast, and it would have worked, but efficiency/range and cost would have suffered. The Cyberbeast has 15:1 reduction gear while plaid is 8:1. There would also be efficiency enhancements to the motor, Tesla never stops improving their vehicles, especially on the efficiency front, because that determines how many batteries it needs to go the target distance, how much it weighs, and how much it costs.

And on Rivian, sorry @HaulingAss, wasnt coming at you! Was more just talking in general. I do think Rivian will survive. Will be good to know what these new margins look like on the refresh, and the R2 and R3 are going to be their real volume drivers. Not unlike what the Model 3 and Y did for Tesla. I do think you will see casting used in the R2 and R3, it would have been a TON of work to redo the R1 series, and you know that series is going to play a smaller and smaller role in the mix.

I wasn't sure who you were addressing, so I wanted to clarify that I also want Rivian to succeed. But I see a lot of beginning investors who don't seem to understand risk/reward, and how to grow wealth (it's pretty hard to do if you have to write down primary positions to zero). It's often better to sell your losers and move on, even if you have to take a 60% loss.

It's not that I think Rivian won't eventually succeed, it's that I think it won't happen until the current shareholders are dilluted to nearly zero or they are eliminated entirely. This happened to GM, shareholders lost 100%, yet GM still exists! The auto business is so capital intensive, and I don't think RJ appreciates this enough (current focus on reducing costs is not drastic enough). He needs to take a page from the Elon playbook, but I think he's on his own path. He doesn't understand the high cost of capital over time. This might not sink the company, but I think it stands a high chance of sinking current investors. So just a heads up to individuals who think it will all work out for them.

 

[HaulingAss]

As a $TSLA and $RIVN shareholder I'm looking forward to both companies succeeding in their mission.

After driving a new 2024 R1T from delivery center on a 400 mile road trip, so many Tesla features I miss-- basic stuff like automatic lane changes. I'm in the "if no FSD, no purchase by me" camp.

Good on Rivian to reduce manufacturing costs and add functionality. Hopefully they make good on plans to show a profit in 2024Q4.

I'm guessing you have a much bigger stake in RIVN vs. TSLA.

Investing is about cold, hard facts. That's why so many investors lose their shirt. They don't know how to properly weigh the risk/reward of different companies. They make unwarranted assumptions and irrational deductions. Investing is generally not intuitive for most people, they look at the wrong things.

Rivian may very well survive in the long run, but I'm confident they will not survive with current shareholders intact.

The current cost-cutting effort falls into the category of "too little, too late". Sad but true. As likeable as RJ appears to be, he sure holds things close to his chest. He needs to go. Rivian needs a brash leader who can make difficult decisions. Even with that, current shareholders might be screwed by now, they just don't know it yet.

 

[kingq]

Who really cares that much about 0-60 in everyday life? Anybody could make a faster EV, but having the greatest FSD is the true differential factor.

 

[BeastForce1]

Takeaway: the new quad R1 may never exist vs. the Cyberbeast which does very much exist. Today.

Does it though? My 2023 CT config says otherwise. Still blows my mind that I reserved my CT on reveal night 2 years before my Quad R1s and we've had the R1S for a year already. Crickets from Tesla on my CT order.

 

[HaulingAss]

Does it though? My 2023 CT config says otherwise. Still blows my mind that I reserved my CT on reveal night 2 years before my Quad R1s and we've had the R1S for a year already. Crickets from Tesla on my CT order.

You should have bought the Dual Motor, like I did, you would probably already be driving it around.

I'm not sure what you want Tesla to tell you, there is more demand than supply, and the demand landscape is constantly changing (so it's difficult for Tesla to predict how many will convert reservations to actual orders).

I think the take rate is rising, as the positive experiences of real people taking delivery start to drown out the initial negativity about stupid things like lack of FSD, lack of off-road capability, sharp corners, fingerprints, weak brakes, panel gaps, etc. etc. etc.

If the truck was over-priced crap, you would already have one! As it is, you have to wait your turn.

 

[Art O'Connor]

Does conked out mean you were in autopilot jail? I use FSD all the time since the newer updates. It's pretty sweet especially around town. Highway has been good since nav on ap

Conked out means FSD ceased to function and I had to go to manual mode. When that happens, RB kicks in and you need to jump on the accelerator to keep from getting rear ended or honked. Both time were at about the 45 minute mark. I keep my hands lightly on the bottom of the steering wheel and let it slide though my hands easily. Both times were on a straight-a-way. No idea why.

The street I live on has a subdivision down the road. My road is two lanes but widens with a left turn lane at the subdivision. After the subdivision, the pavement shifts back to no left turn lane. There is gravel along the shift. There is a very good double line on the left that follows the shift. FSD wants to go straight at the shift and I have to grab the wheel. Everytime.

 

[Art O'Connor]

When looking at the X, I considered the R1S, but it only comes with 3 row of seating. I would never use the third row and you lose trunk space. I ordered the X with just two seating rows. Trunk is large enough for my survey gear with room to spare. The Rivian was $6,000 more than my X. And it looks like a Ford Bronco, not sleek like my X. Even has doors like a Bronco, not Falcon Wings. Lots of Rivians running around Reno. But people want to take pictures with my X's Falcon Wings. The Rivian? No pictures.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

You should have bought the Dual Motor, like I did, you would probably already be driving it around.

I'm not sure what you want Tesla to tell you, there is more demand than supply, and the demand landscape is constantly changing (so it's difficult for Tesla to predict how many will convert reservations to actual orders).

I think the take rate is rising, as the positive experiences of real people taking delivery start to drown out the initial negativity about stupid things like lack of FSD, lack of off-road capability, sharp corners, fingerprints, weak brakes, panel gaps, etc. etc. etc.

If the truck was over-priced crap, you would already have one! As it is, you have to wait your turn.

Don't do it BeastForce1! The other CTs in my town are AWD, they all feel bad about theirs after seeing my Beast. It's worth the wait, unless you want to join the full-of-regret club. The Rivian Quad will just make that club feel even worse in 2025.

If you need a hold over truck, buy a Lariat (better than AWD IMO). If you want the best, you're on the right track.

 

[Cam Salazar]

2.59 second 0-60 on warmed up street tires vs 2.6 seconds on AT tires for the Beast….I bet the beast beats it on warmed up street tires. Plus those headlights will always be Fugly.

2.4 seconds, not 2.6

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