Kicked out of FSD NOT EVEN 1 WEEK!!!

[Woodrick]

I was asking because I'm still deciding on which EV truck I'm getting next. I haven't owned a Tesla, but I assumed it was less hassle, or superior to legacy's Blue Cruise or Super Cruise. Can anyone chime in who has had experience with both? BC nags, but lock outs are temporary. As long as my hands don't block the sensors and I'm generally looking forward I don't have issues; so I can do the occasional text or stream video if the device is in the line of sight (not impeding sight) area during long trips.

None of the other products support all roads. And they don't seem to have regular updates.

The Mercedes Level 3 solution, for example supports very few cities and has a max speed of 40 mph. That's like 20% of my driving if my city was supported, which it isn't.

And EVERY vehicle will nag you.

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[SCTesla]

While I'll grant you that I didn't even get one strike, the system gets really upset if you look at the screen for more than 8 seconds. The screen that 80% of the vehicle controls, the speedometer, the rear view mirror, and the display showing you your lane centering are on.

I'm sitting there trying to figure out how to turn off single press FSD mode, set the follow distance, set the aggressiveness profile, and turn on "minimal lane changes for current drive"... only to find that zero of those things exist on the truck (love having less options). Meanwhile, the attention monitor beeps at me. Once it beeps the first time, the second time it's even MORE touchy. If the first time was 8 seconds, the second time was 4. So I just gave up and drove manually until I got to my destination and found that all of the options in question had been removed from the software before it was pushed to the truck.

Not being able to pick between TACC and FSD on the fly is super annoying. When FSD starts drifting to the left edge of my lane or I'm coming up to a toll booth or something, I can't just revert to cruise. Not unless I'm willing to dig through the menus, turn off FSD, and not be able to turn it back on until I'm parked. You can make any excuse you want for any of it, but not having the option to set it back to one click tacc, two click fsd... is a really terrible move


I'm not even mad at the nanny system, it's doing what it's supposed to. But I can see how it would be quite difficult if you're trying to use any vehicle control you don't already know where to find. I bet it would have beeped at me if I was trying to find defrost after not needing it all summer. Or turning off auto high beams for the first time when they start beaming everyone around you

The NHTSA required Tesla remove the option of double press FSD single press TACC due to mode confusion.

Sucks, but that's what happens when the government gets involved.

 

[agordon117]

The NHTSA required Tesla remove the option of double press FSD single press TACC due to mode confusion.

Sucks, but that's what happens when the government gets involved.

where can I read about this? I'm not turning up anything specific on google

 

[SCTesla]

where can I read about this? I'm not turning up anything specific on google

Original Recall:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2024/INIM-RQ24009-12199.pdf

Tesla changed things to disable single/double pull, but the NHTSA still doesn't think it's enough.

See below:

 

[agordon117]

nothing in there says anything about mode confusion or one vs two press. I was able to turn up the NHTSA probe, but not where it said specific things about this.

Requiring the on screen waiver to opt in to autosteer isn't the same thing as removing the one vs two click setting

 

[Woodrick]

TACC is already on the truck. I'm not even saying autosteer plus cruise ("basic autopilot") and FSD both need to be immediately accessible. But TACC without autosteer does need to be accessible at the same time as FSD.

And no, I fully reject your assertion that there needed to be a choice between having it now without a super basic feature, or having it later but adding the feature. One press cruise, 2 press autosteer is a thing in every tesla vehicle since forever. There's no reason it would have added any time here. Someone I know with a model Y told me that the feature is also missing on his car now. You either get FSD, or any other form of cruise, but never both. That's just not acceptable

Evidently, you've never driven any other Teslas with FSD.

Software development time are realities. If you want it all, wait a few years, I'll take the parts and pieces as I get them.

Basic Autopilot, most people call TACC, is what has been available and will include lane centering, but it isn't there yet.
You can have two profiles, one with FSD enabled and one with Basic Autopilot.
Enhanced Autopilot may not be added, it was an option with earlier vehicles, but has been deprecated. It still appears in the cars because people have subscriptions to it. But it may never exist in the Cybertruck.

I'm not really making things up, only stating the facts.

 

[Crissa]

While I'll grant you that I didn't even get one strike, the system gets really upset if you look at the screen for more than 8 seconds.

In eight seconds a pedestrian has walked across 3-4 lanes of traffic, or completely crossed most residential roads.
In eight seconds at highway speed, you've gone two and a half football fields.

You'll want to keep your glances to fractions on a second.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

nothing in there says anything about mode confusion or one vs two press. I was able to turn up the NHTSA probe, but not where it said specific things about this.

Requiring the on screen waiver to opt in to autosteer isn't the same thing as removing the one vs two click setting

I even highlighted the portion for you.

Tesla provided an option for AP for drivers to opt in and out of single press. The NHTSA says drivers can easily change it and that's not ok.

They removed it as an option for FSD after the probe.

This is in there:


1. Item 1: Mode confusion
Remedy: Add a single-pull activation option for the activation of Autopilot. Enablement of this optional function causes inadvertent steering overrides to disengage both Autosteer and TACC leading to a more pronounced slowdown to alert the driver that Autosteer has been canceled and they must resume immediate control of the vehicle. This function is not default on vehicles who received the remedy in the field and can readily be enabled and disabled by consumers.

 

[SCTesla]

TACC (single pull) FSD (double pull) or disabling FSD with a steering wheel turn and it reverts to TACC are not coming back to any Tesla. The NHTSA wants further steps to enable TACC when autosteer (either the AP version or FSD) is available.

 

[agordon117]

Evidently, you've never driven any other Teslas with FSD.

Wrong

Software development time are realities. If you want it all, wait a few years, I'll take the parts and pieces as I get them.

It already worked this way in the other vehicles. One click was just TACC, 2nd click was FSD or autosteer, depending on settings.

Basic Autopilot, most people call TACC, is what has been available and will include lane centering, but it isn't there yet.
You can have two profiles, one with FSD enabled and one with Basic Autopilot.
Enhanced Autopilot may not be added, it was an option with earlier vehicles, but has been deprecated. It still appears in the cars because people have subscriptions to it. But it may never exist in the Cybertruck.

I'm not really making things up, only stating the facts.

TACC does not include lane centering. Basic autopilot is 2 parts. TACC and autosteer. But regardless of the semantics, what you're saying is not a thing that can be done in real time on the highway. I require being able to switch back and forth between some form of cruise without any form of lane centering or self driving (TACC is okay, but dumb cruise option would also be fine), and whatever has autosteer (be it autopilot or FSD).

As it stands, it is impossible to turn off and then turn back on autosteer without parking the car. So if you have an issue where FSD is hugging the left edge of your lane for no reason, or there's something complicated coming up that you don't really want to be a passenger for... Turning off FSD locks you out of turning it back on until you pull over and put the truck in park. This is a huge downgrade from how it worked in the model Y with FSD I traded in back in april.

 

[SCTesla]

As it stands, it is impossible to turn off and then turn back on autosteer without parking the car. So if you have an issue where FSD is hugging the left edge of your lane for no reason, or there's something complicated coming up that you don't really want to be a passenger for... Turning off FSD locks you out of turning it back on until you pull over and put the truck in park. This is a huge downgrade from how it worked in the model Y with FSD I traded in back in april.

It's been pushed to all Teslas, again...see above.

 

[agordon117]

TACC (single pull) FSD (double pull) or disabling FSD with a steering wheel turn and it reverts to TACC are not coming back to any Tesla. The NHTSA wants further steps to enable TACC when autosteer (either the AP version or FSD) is available.

This is an absolute nightmare if true. I'm reading through your post and really not having a good feeling about it. I wonder if anyone has ever sued NHTSA before? Absolute insanity

 

[SCTesla]

This is an absolute nightmare if true. I'm reading through your post and really not having a good feeling about it. I wonder if anyone has ever sued NHTSA before? Absolute insanity

The NHTSA probe was launched due to Tesla owners complaining and accidents.

Good luck, but the NHTSA doesn't even like that you can put it in park and change it. They want people who have access to autosteer to lose access to TACC. It's extreme, but there's not much Tesla can do about it. Tesla implemented this on FSD, but not on AP, yet. You can still option to single/double pull with AP, but that's what the NHTSA says was insufficient.

 

[Crissa]

This is an absolute nightmare if true. I'm reading through your post and really not having a good feeling about it. I wonder if anyone has ever sued NHTSA before? Absolute insanity

Many of the accidents involved people who claimed they were in a driving mode they were not. And that's bad.

Current implementation is probably not great, may what they need is a complex chord of keys and response that can be done easily but not accidentally.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

Many of the accidents involved people who claimed they were in a driving mode they were not. And that's bad.

Current implementation is probably not great, may what they need is a complex chord of keys and response that can be done easily but not accidentally.

-Crissa

Agreed. A single button won't ever fly with the NHTSA, but that's difficult considering Tesla removed all the other buttons/levers/etc.

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