[CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS] "White House considers vehicle mileage tax to fund infrastructure"

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In Ohio, I know I will have to pay a $200 EV fee for my vehicle renewal. It's been explained to me that's about the same as tax on 10 gallons of gas a week.

If I understand the proposal of you get taxed for every mile you drive. I easily but 13,000 miles a year on a car. Probably more. One year I put on over 18,000 miles on a Buick.

my average year
0.018 X 13,000 = $234.00

Oregon’s tax rate of 1.8 cents per mile is equivalent to the 36-cent gas tax paid by a vehicle that gets 20 miles per gallon. Someone driving about 11,500 miles a year would pay about $207. That leaves owners of hybrids paying more than they otherwise would. It would be a good deal for drivers of large SUVs or pickup trucks, but in 2019, the legislature limited enrollment of new vehicles to those that get at least 20 miles per gallon.

In this case, $200 a year renewal is a deal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/interactive/2021/electric-mileage-tax/
 

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Bout time EV's pay their fair/ANY share of road tax.

Lets "save da planet".

Hence, tax, tax again and tax some more!
I think you’re right. This is less about “EV fairness” and more about “tax anything and everything possible while we have the majority”.
 

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I agree EVs need to pay for using the roads just like ICE vechiles do. I do not know if I agree with a per mile tax though. ICE vehicles pay a per gallon of gas tax regardless of how many miles said ICE vehicle may travel on the roads for that gallon of gas. For some it could be 5 miles for others 50, but the tax for the gas is the same.

maybe a per KWh tax?
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I may be alone here in my understanding. However, here it goes. Why do we need another regressive tax to pay for transportation infrastructure?! Do we have a military tax or a tax on how many times your house catches fire? Our roads and bridges are a utility that everyone is supposed to have access to. It would cost all of us less overall if everyone was taxed instead of taxing the people who are just barely scraping by but want to do right and stop burning carbon. Gas taxes, cigarette taxes, liquor taxes, property taxes, etc. all sound good on the surface (pay per use), but they cost more the less you make an hour and they are self destructive. The less gas you use the less money is generated for the support systems the tax funds. The same with tobacco, the healthier a smoker tries to be, the less money is available to the systems in place to help abate the addiction. Regressive taxes are mathematical oxymorons. It is a rarity in the U.S. to find an adult that doesn't use some form of our transportation system.
 


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As we incorporate more solar there will be proposals to tax sunshine.
we will be in serious trouble if they start to tax the air for wind turbines like they will be taxing the sun for solar PV and solar thermal.
 

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we will be in serious trouble if they start to tax the air for wind turbines like they will be taxing the sun for solar PV and solar thermal.
It is just around the corner: meters on solar, wind turbines, water turbines and well pumps (if you are not using Town water). If they cannot do those, then they will simply set a $$$ amount according to house size, occupants...and add it to ones "tax bill"

The "Green New Steal, oppps Deal", is coming.
 
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Can someone explain this to me, how would raising taxes lower pollution or right environmental wrongs of the past? If you take 10 million from a company instead of 5 million for example, how exactly is that “justice for the environment”? You’re just taking money from the private sector and handing to government. Presumably you are not lowering actual consumption and outputs unless you’re taxing to the point where production isn’t possible, and that will 100% lead to destruction and famine. So if you’re not looking to destroy billionaires and big businesses, then you’re looking to “punish” them, which seems immoral and symbolic, not an actual solution to “environmental damage”.
Assuming you are actually interested in answer...

Taxes are a cost. Business choose how much of the cost to push onto the customers. Government tax pros know about what percentage will be pushed to the customer and how that will reflect in supply and demand. This is independent of fairness, it's straight business economics.

Before I touch ever so quickly on fairness, tax receipts can be earmarked. Settlements can as well e.g. VW. Where this happens and where this actually rights some wrongs is a whole nother conversation.

Taxes on fuel are not as clear-cut as they might seem. The Highway Fund has shrunk while mileage has increased. Cars pay the more than majority of the tax but do very little damage compared to tractor-trailers. Each state does it differently. The new needs addressing and there's no clear answer.
 


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Here's how to create $$$ for infrastructure. Don't spend a couple trillion dollars on a COVID bill when COVID cases are on the decline and vaccinations are becoming more prevalent. Waste of money!! Sorry, I couldn't resist. You can fix a lot of infrastructure with 2 trillion dollars.
I am unsure about other states but Illinois charges 2x the cost to renew license plates for an EV vs ICE. That's the equivalent of roughly 200 gallons of gas tax when you combine federal and state gas taxes.
 

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I think you’re right. This is less about “EV fairness” and more about “tax anything and everything possible while we have the majority”.
Actually, I’m with the government on this. Most states pay for their roads with a gas tax. An EV puts the same wear and tear (if not more) on the roads. Miles driven just makes more sense. And I’m a guy who drives 90 miles a day commuting.
 

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So you’re graph demonstrates that every income bracket saw an increase in after tax income following the tax cuts? Isn’t that making my point?
No. I'm not sure what your point is, to be honest. A percent of a small number is a very small number, a percent of a very large number is still a very large number. That higher income earner also 'feels' it less because of marginal utility. https://www.britannica.com/topic/marginal-utility

Charging for miles makes sense in a way; there is only so much 'room' on the highways, and cars use this the least efficiently. Just as we should charge gas more (because of pollution) and trucks more (because they wear down the roads more).

The markets can then do what they do, be a tool we use to distribute use. And those priced out should get access to decent alternatives like trains, busses, and bicycle paths that are well connected and centered because they're more optimal uses of our grouped funds. The rest of us pay a little more, but get more room on the roads for it.

The biggest question is how to do this efficiently and fairly. And retain that emphasis toward energy efficiency.

-Crissa
 
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I may be alone here in my understanding. However, here it goes. Why do we need another regressive tax to pay for transportation infrastructure?! Do we have a military tax or a tax on how many times your house catches fire? Our roads and bridges are a utility that everyone is supposed to have access to. It would cost all of us less overall if everyone was taxed instead of taxing the people who are just barely scraping by but want to do right and stop burning carbon. Gas taxes, cigarette taxes, liquor taxes, property taxes, etc. all sound good on the surface (pay per use), but they cost more the less you make an hour and they are self destructive. The less gas you use the less money is generated for the support systems the tax funds. The same with tobacco, the healthier a smoker tries to be, the less money is available to the systems in place to help abate the addiction. Regressive taxes are mathematical oxymorons. It is a rarity in the U.S. to find an adult that doesn't use some form of our transportation system.
What you are talking about is (gasp) socialism. You pay taxes that benefit other people? the NERVE!
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