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  1. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    Though the Ferrari setup doesn’t really solve the roundabout or tight turning issue. It may end up actually being worse. But a Ferrari isn’t a daily driver so that’s a minor point.
  2. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    I fully recognise that (and I do plan a longer test drive). But for zero benefit, and clear downsides, why bother?
  3. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    Turning to 90 degrees with the hands at 3 and 6 is awkward. It’s doable, but awkward, and awards you less control of the car (for instance if you hit ice). There are many roundabouts where you will turn the wheel more than 90 degrees. Then it becomes completely unreasonable to hold them in the...
  4. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    On the Model S I remember it wasn’t always available. Only after stopping. But I may recall wrong.
  5. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    It’s quite easy to try it. Just book a test drive of a Model S, as I did.
  6. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    Look, I think you really need to drive here if you haven’t. You have to indicate when leaving a roundabout, in some countries you also do that when entering. Many roundabouts are tight. There is no way to navigate them safely without your hands shuffling and moving. The steering wheel is easily...
  7. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    You clearly haven’t driven on European roundabouts.
  8. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    Yes, you can adapt to different physical layouts (I’ve driven very different cars). That’s not an issue. The problem is a screen system doesn’t have tactile feedback. That just isn’t there, learn or not. It’s an inferior experience for literally no benefit. Indicator buttons have feedback...
  9. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    With enough whining Tesla thankfully dropped the yoke. It seems sometimes they listen. Besides, what else are you supposed to do on a forum than discuss the ups and downs of the topic at hand?
  10. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    You’re ignoring the whole case of indicator stalks. But even with the direction selector there are critical situations where directions needs to be changed quickly. Someone recently posted about needing to rapidly reverse our if the way of another car. I’ve been there myself. That is way, way...
  11. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    Unfortunately it’s not that simple. The stalk is now two buttons that move with the wheel. 15 minutes in Europe is all it takes to realise how terrible an idea that is as you try and aimlessly search for the buttons, and figure out which way round they are, while traversing a roundabout. And...
  12. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    This example is frequently used but doesn’t work. You don’t use your phone in critical, potentially lethal, situations where your focus needs to be elsewhere. At least I hope you don’t. When people do use their phone in those situations, major accidents happen.
  13. Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

    It doesn’t. It’s OK for really obvious things like reversing out of a parking spot, but it only took me 30 minutes to be in a situation where I needed a 3 point turn and of course it didn’t work. Losing the stalks is just idiotic, especially for countries that have roundabouts. Even Tesla Bjorn...
  14. Control buttons for vault bed - closeup pics 🔍

    No, I'm not claiming that. I'm claiming that one's own experiences may lead to prioritising things or not thinking of all the things that might impact a product in a different environment than what you are used to. Or you prioritise things that are important to you. That's just human nature, and...
  15. Control buttons for vault bed - closeup pics 🔍

    While I didn't come up with the phrase, and it was made in jest, there is some truth to it. From wipers that don't work in pitch dark & rain (ie. when you need them the most), to handles that break due to being iced up, to frameless windows, to heat pumps that break, Tesla hasn't often had the...
  16. Cybertruck suspension & brakes exposed on a lift (photos 9/16/23)

    So disappointing. I was expecting Tesla to one-up other cars on the market and have six brakes at least. Lame!
  17. Some Tesla engineers hated Cybertruck's design and secretly designed alternative -- says design chief Franz (in new Musk biography book)

    All I can say is that by far the biggest problems I’ve had with Tesla’s very sweeping low A pillars, much more than more vertical ones of roughly the same width.
  18. Some Tesla engineers hated Cybertruck's design and secretly designed alternative -- says design chief Franz (in new Musk biography book)

    I don’t think I was dismissing the deadliness of a rollover. Just that roof strength isn’t the only reason for thick pillars. I would still like to have thinner pillars if I could for better visibility (which is also important for safety).
  19. Some Tesla engineers hated Cybertruck's design and secretly designed alternative -- says design chief Franz (in new Musk biography book)

    Well, I think air bags are probably a big reason for the thickness. You look at race cars with space frames and they are actually thinner than many A pillars these days. Or even cars a few years back, and their frames were still sturdy enough not to get crushed.
  20. Some Tesla engineers hated Cybertruck's design and secretly designed alternative -- says design chief Franz (in new Musk biography book)

    The difference is that on many vehicles the A pillars are more upright. The long thick ones really can cover a lot. Even on the Model 3 the sweeping A pillars would constantly cover people and cars. Had a few close calls that way. I yearn for the days when A pillars were slimmer.





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