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[Sirfun]

For my family FSD has 2 possibilities based on how well it functions, and regulatory issues.

1st, if FSD is trustworthy and drives my Cybertruck as good as my wife and I, but hasn't passed regulatory hurdles. I will have my 88yr old mother-in-law drive my Cybertruck for her needs around town. She still has a DL and drives her Mini Cooper short distances around town. With FSD, we all would be more comfortable with her driving. Also, my 25 yr. old special needs son could possibly study and get himself a Driver's License. We would not feel comfortable with him driving on his own without FSD that is trustworthy.

2nd, if FSD passes regulations to drive without a human. This is where things get interesting. Then our family could SHARE the Cybertruck. Around our beach community, when one of our family members wants to go somewhere for a good length of time. The CT would be used to go with/without us driving. But instead of parking at the destination, they would get out, and the CT would drive itself home to be shared by others. Then, when we're done at the beach, golf course, college classes, wherever. The CT would be summoned like our own personal Robotaxi.

Essentially, we would share our own personal Robotaxi within our family of 6. There would be times when several family members could jump in and share the ride. And yes it would actually mean more miles driven. But with fewer vehicles. Also I'm REALLY hoping the CT could be plugged in whenever it's at home and used as storage batteries for the solar also.

I want to put this Cybertruck to good use!!

 

[rr6013]

ML(machine learning), right now, is like when the personal computer was invented. Its a curious thing that few have seen, much less used and fewer have put to good use.
FSD is to ML as IBM-PC was to computing. The promiscuous PC everyone could use came along at a time when only corporations, universities and government possessed huge computers. Computers that filled an entire room had 150k memory.
Google Deepmind, Tesla DOJO are supercomputers designed for one type computing - ML. Tesla are on the precipice of unleashing all that supercomputing down to size for personal use - driving. TESLAS are the next PC. FSD is how they are going to get there, literally.
DOJO, 7th largest GPU supercomputer, hasn’t begun its contribution yet to FSD. SO the little that we know about it, has been in-car processing of human manual labeling and the results have been herky-jerky. Once DOJO starts building FSD stacks, training and upcycle simulations for in-car use FSD should be like the first PC you bought.
You turned it on. It worked. It just didn’t have much it could do, at first. FSD is much like the PC where people had to figure out how one worked - ditto FSD. BIG difference with DOJO, FSD is going to actually be application specific to Teslas. But it won’t be fully dependent on educating people first like PC’s. People will use FSD and inform DOJO where it needs to educate FSD how it can drive better, improve and make it easier for people to use FSD.
Its a whole new paradigm, just like PC. You already know how to drive. FSD doesn’t yet. But its a fast learner. FSD has learned alot getting to version 10.x. It begins life inheriting GPS, maps, route finding and a host of capabilities that accelerate its functionality. That’s a good thing, but problematic if its your first rodeo with GPS, route finding, destination pinning and a suite of ADAS(lane keeping, cruise control, emergency braking, etc…).
The problemmatic part for humans is that all those technologies that FSD incorporates have been “Driver-centric”. Meaning that people’s first experience, common understanding and natural usage have all been as human-in-the-loop. Cruise control is most famous example.
FSD steals all that technology away for its use, its control and FSD don’t naturally operate at all like ADAS. That’s why you can’t fall asleep, jump in the backseat, watch Disney movie, drink a beer or chug a burger while FSD is giving you a ride.
FSD takes some adjustment, learning and rodeo-ing around with it. Both FSD and Tesla owners using FSD get better together. Some will be FSD jockeys, gurus and learn to value what FSD capabilities are so the “rest of us” can benefit. Those same early adopters will also contribute to making FSD better when fault, omission and errors are discovered. Just like PC’s before FSD, it takes time to compute flawlessly.

 

[Bill906]

I want to preface this by saying i don't know much about the technical aspects of fsd.
I did not order it because i enjoy driving and it would be nerve wracking for me.

1. When fsd is ready, do you have to monitor it still or can you sit in back seat and be chauffeured around?

2. Do you just input an address and sit for the ride. What about detours and flexibility?

3. Do you trust it enough to take a nap enroute or send it on taxi mode to pick up your kids from school?

4. Do you plan to monitor it from drivers seat always or sometimes. If always, what is there to gain?

5. Does full fsd turn a vehicle into an appliance like a-b conveyance?

There are levels to autonomous driving. Tesla is currently at level 2. Level 3 will still require a human driver to take over when needed. Level 4 does not require a driver, but has limitations on when and where it can drive. Level 5 is full self driving. It does not require a driver and can drive anywhere a human can.*

So once we hit Level 4 and 5, you do not have to monitor, you can be chauffeured, you can take a nap, have it pick up the kids at school (although I'm curious if there'll be a way to not allow control inputs in FSD mode. What happens when the 5 year old decides to play with the moving steering wheel). Level 4 might not be able to handle detours but, by definition, Level 5 should be able to.

* Level 5 does not include off roading.

 

[Crissa]

Level 3-5 all require an AI that can operate without being monitored. The main difference is that for 2 and 3 a human driver is required to be in the car and available, level 2 requires instant oversight, level 3 is 'available within a minute' or whatever. Even within these there's hands on and off timing... it's more a spectrum than distinct segments.

And while they say level 4 is geofenced areas, every driver, human or not, has limits of where and when they should drive. Making 5 be 'truly unlimited' is a goal that cannot be achieved: somewhere will be a spot it's not allowed to drive.

-Crissa

 

[charliemagpie]

Funny, spoke to my family yday ago about this. My stepson just started driving lessons. I said he is the last generation to need to.

I said, one day with FSD, treat it as if you are being driven around by a chauffeur.

Tell the car to park here or there, or wait or meet you somewhere.. or park a meter further up... Anything, just as you would a chauffeur.

Children or adults can instruct a chauffeur, the car is no different.

I can see an app being handy. Move the car icon where you want in the picture, maybe a birds eye view generated by the car, or even a google map.

Example.
1. It can back up to an RV or park itself next to the RV according to where you clicked on the map.

2. Maybe we can drive it using the App...or create our own path on the map... if we are offroad.

3. Or we sit in the front seat and point a finger to where we go.. say navigating on the fly driving along the beach.

The car will understand us enough to make it seamless.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

FSD is a set of autonomous driving features, most notably enhanced autopilot, summon and reverse summon, and city streets driving. At present FSD city streets is in beta, meaning that it is not ready for public use and most definitely is Level 2 and must be monitored very carefully. Also, these features are not integrated so they are separate capabilities.

as mentioned, the mechanics of the FSD features are a bit orthogonal to the regulatory levels of autonomous driving. Even if the FSD features were all perfect it might take years for the various local, state, federal, and country agencies to clear it for autonomous driving without a driver.

That said, I reserved my CT with FSD with the hope of maintaining my mobility/autonomy as I age. I also love to drive but would love a system that hat could “ride shotgun” when I drive and keep me from doing something stupid. So I figure I have a few years for them to get the wrinkles ironed out. I would likely never share my truck with anyone.

I do not labor under the illusion of level 5 autonomy anytime soon, but FSD with an integrated feature set and good enough for a majority of conditions would make driving much more pleasant than driving it a world of zombies and crazies.

 

[Ogre]

I want to preface this by saying i don't know much about the technical aspects of fsd.
I did not order it because i enjoy driving and it would be nerve wracking for me.

1. When fsd is ready, do you have to monitor it still or can you sit in back seat and be chauffeured around?

2. Do you just input an address and sit for the ride. What about detours and flexibility?

3. Do you trust it enough to take a nap enroute or send it on taxi mode to pick up your kids from school?

4. Do you plan to monitor it from drivers seat always or sometimes. If always, what is there to gain?

5. Does full fsd turn a vehicle into an appliance like a-b conveyance?

I ordered 2 trucks… 1 with FSD and 1 without. I should have ordered both with FSD and potentially saved $3,000. At least I potentially save $2,000 (or more). Depending on whether I buy it or not.

For your questions. I think FSD comes in 2 phases. The current version is mostly a really good driver assist and requires an attentive driver. The second, “Robotaxi” version is a full on independent driver. Due “in 2 weeks” (aka maybe never?). Right now you plug in the address or share it with the car from your phone and it drives you there. In the future I believe you will put it all into the app on the phone, the car will arrive, pick you up, then drive you there.

My primary use is long road trips or trips where I am concerned about being physically unable to drive due to exhaustion or sleepiness. On long trips, I would very muck like to be able to put in the info and let the car/ truck take me there while I sleep, watch a movie, or enjoy the scenery (like a trail ride).

As I get older and my facilities become impaired I’d like to have reliable transport even when I’m not personally able to drive. I’d like the same for my mom… like soon!.

 

[ricinro]

when teaching my kids and a few other people to drive I always mentioned that the challenge to driving isn't mastery of the machine but understanding the minds (or mindlessness) of diverse drivers.
It will just be a matter of weeks after level 5 deployment until there are tiktoks showing jerks how to confuse FSD.

 

[SolarWizard]

I have heard integrating the f150 for house use is not cheap.

it’s about $3.5k with solar or $4800 without
source: we install them

 

[SolarWizard]

it’s not the same but it’s in the area of 20% more time

 

[Crissa]

It will just be a matter of weeks after level 5 deployment until there are tiktoks showing jerks how to confuse FSD.

...and how many of those methods will work on other Human drivers? All of them? Most?

-Crissa

 

[havasasabata]

For my family FSD has 2 possibilities based on how well it functions, and regulatory issues.

1st, if FSD is trustworthy and drives my Cybertruck as good as my wife and I, but hasn't passed regulatory hurdles. I will have my 88yr old mother-in-law drive my Cybertruck for her needs around town. She still has a DL and drives her Mini Cooper short distances around town. With FSD, we all would be more comfortable with her driving. Also, my 25 yr. old special needs son could possibly study and get himself a Driver's License. We would not feel comfortable with him driving on his own without FSD that is trustworthy.

2nd, if FSD passes regulations to drive without a human. This is where things get interesting. Then our family could SHARE the Cybertruck. Around our beach community, when one of our family members wants to go somewhere for a good length of time. The CT would be used to go with/without us driving. But instead of parking at the destination, they would get out, and the CT would drive itself home to be shared by others. Then, when we're done at the beach, golf course, college classes, wherever. The CT would be summoned like our own personal Robotaxi.

Essentially, we would share our own personal Robotaxi within our family of 6. There would be times when several family members could jump in and share the ride. And yes it would actually mean more miles driven. But with fewer vehicles. Also I'm REALLY hoping the CT could be plugged in whenever it's at home and used as storage batteries for the solar also.

I want to put this Cybertruck to good use!!

In theory this sounds good, but while your points about the potential benefits of FSD for your family are valid, I believe that regulatory hurdles are crucial for ensuring the safety and reliability of self-driving technology. Placing an elderly family member or a special needs individual in a vehicle that hasn't passed these regulations might pose unforeseen risks. Besides this I have to remark that I as a student at the technical college did a writing assignment with the help of https://edubirdie.com/assignment-help and I understood that actually this in theory is a good idea but in practice this assignment showed me that it will be not quite as it is claimed. So we should think about this issue, because apparently not everything is as simple as it seems.

 

[Michael Dobbs]

I want to preface this by saying i don't know much about the technical aspects of fsd.
I did not order it because i enjoy driving and it would be nerve wracking for me.

1. When fsd is ready, do you have to monitor it still or can you sit in back seat and be chauffeured around?

2. Do you just input an address and sit for the ride. What about detours and flexibility?

3. Do you trust it enough to take a nap enroute or send it on taxi mode to pick up your kids from school?

4. Do you plan to monitor it from drivers seat always or sometimes. If always, what is there to gain?

5. Does full fsd turn a vehicle into an appliance like a-b conveyance?

I have a model S with FSD. You are absolutely right. It is nerve racking!
The car tries to drive itself but where I live (central California), there is no way for my poor car can successfully contend with the crazy aggressive drivers who continuously surround me on the streets. Until their cars are as curtious as the Tesla tries to be, it will not work. Even in the “aggressive mode” the car’s behavior only frustrates everyone around you so your constantly having people honk their horns or give you the look?
Then there’s also the problem the car has in city traffic with intersections and turning. It disengages itself more often than not when attempting those maneuvers.
i also have a few roundabouts in my area that the car just can’t handle. It never successfully gets through one. Without giving up and disengaging itself.
It is certainly more effort and stress trying to let the car try to do its thing but be prepared to take over immediately when it decides it can’t handle the situation..

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