$5500 refund for foundation owners that got core wheels and tactical gray interior

[Seribus]

Tactical grey nursing shoes don't exist for a reason. Looks dirty. Just like the interior trim after driving white interior for 20k miles. Grey looks "Temu" "Wish" or "Kirkland" to me now.

Temu...lol. I'm not a fan of the A/S tires either. The AT are kind mild to be labeled AT next Nittos AT.

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[PracticalDrive]

Or those poor people who paid $150,000 for a refreshed model S plaid right before I (and others) got mine for roughly $96k with free FSD transfer last September.

I have to disagree on equating the price difference with AT tires + White trim vs $150k on a car model.
Here's the thought, AS and AT, as well as grey and white trim were offered equally. If you wanna drop the price, drop them both for all I care. But what's the reason you drop one but not the other?

Please do not use the logic that ALL buyers should be in the know from any place other than Tesla before making their decision.

Why? You knew that you declined the options when you made the order. You willfully paid for the removal.
They were explicitly listed as part of the Founders Package.

This is the thing I find laughable here, why do you and others keep saying we are "informed" that AT is an "upgrade". Tesla did NO informing their customers that AT tires would cost extra. Otherwise I would totally wait for the non FS for the money saving.

AS were presented as equal options if not an upgrade for 25 more miles in range as far as I was concerned.

 

[Freemarket]

I believe you completely omitted the premise of "Inform the customer with due diligence" in front of your second sentence.

How can anyone expect Tesla to have told a group of buyers, that wanted tactical grey and all season tires, that those would be lesser for non FS CT’s that hadn’t been optioned by other buyers yet? That isn’t a lack of due diligence on their part, nor their problem. What am I missing?

 

[Woodrick]

that's not the point, the monetary number is the sole subject here.

In that case it is easy, you bought it, you paid for it.

It was always your choice to wait until when they would be available for less. The ONLY thing that seems to be different would be the Foundation stickers which third parties have available.

You. of free will, knowingly paid for the downgrades.

 

[Woodrick]

This is the thing I find laughable here, why do you and others keep saying we are "informed" that AT is an "upgrade". Tesla did NO informing their customers that AT tires would cost extra. Otherwise I would totally wait for the non FS for the money saving.

AS were presented as equal options if not an upgrade for 25 more miles in range as far as I was concerned.

Let's see, they create the Foundation Package with many of the "extras" that are available. They put the AT tires in the package.
As a matter of timing and a slight demand by users, they then add the downgraded tire as an option on the package.

The very fact that they included the AT tires in the Foundation Series was enough for most to understand that they were the upgrade?

Wait, do you think that removing FSD is the upgrade? Do they have to spell it out, that the Foundation Series package is the package of upgrades (actually I think that they did).

 

[PracticalDrive]

Let's see, they create the Foundation Package with many of the "extras" that are available. They put the AT tires in the package.
As a matter of timing and a slight demand by users, they then add the downgraded tire as an option on the package.

The very fact that they included the AT tires in the Foundation Series was enough for most to understand that they were the upgrade?

Wait, do you think that removing FSD is the upgrade? Do they have to spell it out, that the Foundation Series package is the package of upgrades (actually I think that they did).

Welcome to interpret however upgrade is in your world. But in the event of expanding your range by 25+ miles, it's pretty difficult to know, yes, without spelling, that you are about to lose $3,500.

Look, to people who don't mind to throw money to a company that's filled with employees who do not care after they sell their product, all power to you. But as far as I'm concerned, I could use those information while I did NOT have choice but pick AS tires.

 

[dalton108]

I have to disagree on equating the price difference with AT tires + White trim vs $150k on a car model.
Here's the thought, AS and AT, as well as grey and white trim were offered equally. If you wanna drop the price, drop them both for all I care. But what's the reason you drop one but not the other?

Please do not use the logic that ALL buyers should be in the know from any place other than Tesla before making their decision.

I think you missed the point. None of the people that bought the MS Plaid for $60,000! more than what I paid just a few months later knew that the price drop was going to happen. That’s the point!

Even if one were to agree with your thesis that there wasn’t fair notice that ppl were going to have their purchase price diluted by choosing gray (I’m one of them), it wouldn’t change my argument except that the people who got screwed by the plaid price drop lost an order of magnitude more money and had no notice or even arguable reason to believe that things would change so dramatically!

As has been said by others above, myself and others might have reasonably suspected that tactical gray was going to be the free option given that white in every other vehicle has been an upgrade. [I personally think it would’ve been simply better for Tesla to let us know at the time of selection that this was a base option expressly! Why? For all other flagship vehicles (S/X) there are three color options!] Black could’ve been the base color and gray and white could’ve both been upgraded options! We weren’t told that, so people are making a lot of assumptions on here that I think are unreasonable about how you should’ve known better, that said, it is what it is. I would’ve gotten gray either way. Similar arguments can be made for the wheels/tires.

So, I agree generally with your rant but for other reasons and it certainly doesn’t diminish my argument about people getting completely hosed on their Plaids which is way more serious and costly.

 

[Woodrick]

Welcome to interpret however upgrade is in your world. But in the event of expanding your range by 25+ miles, it's pretty difficult to know, yes, without spelling, that you are about to lose $3,500.

Look, to people who don't mind to throw money to a company that's filled with employees who do not care after they sell their product, all power to you. But as far as I'm concerned, I could use those information while I did NOT have choice but pick AS tires.

You don't seem to remember that two customers that go in to buy the identical RAM truck can come away with deals over $10,000 apart, do you? For the same identical truck (different VINs).
Nor do you seem to remember that on two different consecutive days, that Dodge could decide to put a deal in place that changes he price by $10,000 do you? For the same identical truck, same VIN!

The "Foundation Series" was always considered an add-on package. It was sold for over a half-year as such. Tesla listened to some and realized that there were buyers that wanted the grey color and different wheels, but still wanted the early delivery Foundation Package, they allowed it.

Do know that the FSD package used to cost $12,000-$15,000? And one they dropped it to $8,000? Those who bought it for $15,000 didn't get a rebate. And those that paid $5,000 didn't have to pay more.

The Foundation Series has always been listed as an upsell product. As a part of the more expensive product, AT tires were explicitly listed.


Most importantly, this subject "Tesla changes the price" has existed for years and I don't think that Tesla has ever really paid anyone the difference. Well, there may have been one time many years ago.

You got your Cybertruck, get out and enjoy it and stop complaining.

 

[PracticalDrive]

I think you missed the point. None of the people that bought the MS Plaid for $60,000! more than what I paid just a few months later knew that the price drop was going to happen. That’s the point!

Even if one were to agree with your thesis that there wasn’t fair notice that ppl were going to have their purchase price diluted by choosing gray (I’m one of them), it wouldn’t change my argument except that the people who got screwed by the plaid price drop lost an order of magnitude more money and had no notice or even arguable reason to believe that things would change so dramatically!

As has been said by others above, myself and others might have reasonably suspected that tactical gray was going to be the free option given that white in every other vehicle has been an upgrade. [I personally think it would’ve been simply better for Tesla to let us know at the time of selection that this was a base option expressly! Why? For all other flagship vehicles (S/X) there are three color options!] Black could’ve been the base color and gray and white could’ve both been upgraded options! We weren’t told that, so people are making a lot of assumptions on here that I think are unreasonable about how you should’ve known better, that said, it is what it is. I would’ve gotten gray either way. Similar arguments can be made for the wheels/tires.

So, I agree generally with your rant but for other reasons and it certainly doesn’t diminish my argument about people getting completely hosed on their Plaids which is way more serious and costly.

Point taken.

And quite interestingly, if you were to buy the cyber wheel off their website, it's $3,000 ONLY. Doing so put you having an extra set of AS tires that come with vehicle itself.

Talking about ethical business practice.

 

[SCTesla]

Point taken.

And quite interestingly, if you were to buy the AT tiers off their website, it's $3,000 ONLY. Doing so put you having an extra set of AS tires that come with vehicle itself.

Talking about ethical business practice.

Those are the winter tires.

 

[PracticalDrive]

You don't seem to remember that two customers that go in to buy the identical RAM truck can come away with deals over $10,000 apart, do you? For the same identical truck (different VINs).
Nor do you seem to remember that on two different consecutive days, that Dodge could decide to put a deal in place that changes he price by $10,000 do you? For the same identical truck, same VIN!

The "Foundation Series" was always considered an add-on package. It was sold for over a half-year as such. Tesla listened to some and realized that there were buyers that wanted the grey color and different wheels, but still wanted the early delivery Foundation Package, they allowed it.

Do know that the FSD package used to cost $12,000-$15,000? And one they dropped it to $8,000? Those who bought it for $15,000 didn't get a rebate. And those that paid $5,000 didn't have to pay more.

The Foundation Series has always been listed as an upsell product. As a part of the more expensive product, AT tires were explicitly listed.


Most importantly, this subject "Tesla changes the price" has existed for years and I don't think that Tesla has ever really paid anyone the difference. Well, there may have been one time many years ago.

You got your Cybertruck, get out and enjoy it and stop complaining.

If you use other companies sly tactics to justify Tesla's unethical practice to tell yourself it's ok, it's fine by me.

But asking me to be happy about the purchase with Tesla and stop complaining about it, it's a NO. And I'm not the only one. I find it funny, as customers yourselves (I assume), you people try to silence us.

 

[SCTesla]

If you use other companies sly tactics to justify Tesla's unethical practice to tell yourself it's ok, it's fine by me.

But asking me to be happy about the purchase with Tesla and stop complaining about it, it's a NO. And I'm not the only one. I find it funny, as customers yourselves (I assume), you people try to silence us.

Try to silence you?

You are pissing into the void on a message board. Tesla isn't going to read this and find you to make things right.

You have every right to be upset, but it's equally ok for those to think you're being ridiculous.

 

[PracticalDrive]

Those are the winter tires.

Meant to say cyber wheel

 

[PracticalDrive]

Try to silence you?

You are pissing into the void on a message board. Tesla isn't going to read this and find you to make things right.

You have every right to be upset, but it's equally ok for those to think you're being ridiculous.

We

Try to silence you?

You are pissing into the void on a message board. Tesla isn't going to read this and find you to make things right.

You have every right to be upset, but it's equally ok for those to think you're being ridiculous.

I understand you are a Tesla investor.
And as I have explained, I wasn't able to actually choose tires other than AS, nor be able to talk to TESLA EMPLOYEES for further details before meeting the deadline of tax incentive.
Instead of answering the potential customers questions, they simply texted me, are you ordering or are you gonna wait

Right, that's not illegal (?) and I made my own decision. But as I've been saying all along, it wasn't an informed decision.

 

[mongo]

And as I have explained, I wasn't able to actually choose tires other than AS, nor be able to talk to TESLA EMPLOYEES for further details before meeting the deadline of tax incentive.

I missed this explanation and search only shows this post where you use "tax" or "incentive". What tax incentive are you talking about?

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