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I have read enough rash musk tweets to know that he is narcissitic. I form my opinions not on articles but on peoples actual actions and words. Like I said, I have nothing against musk and think he is doing gods work and like most humans can also be sensitive, caring and thoughtful.. but all those and being a narcissist are not mutually exclusive. He needs a personal filter/restraint many times. Like I do, except im not out there leading one of the biggest companies with a megaphone to the whole world. I am an intelligent/caring person.. but I am also a brash ahole who has a tin can and string communication line to you!
I'll agree that Elon looks at the world very differently from you and that is probably the reason you don't understand him enough to know that he's not narcissistic. He has a low opinion of many of society's "rules". But that's not what narcissism is. Selfish people are not sensitive caring and thoughtful.

But I'm not going to argue semantics further, let's just agree to disagree on the meaning of narcissism. Elon is definitely not "normal" and I think that's a very good thing.
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Elon has twice stuck it to California.
  1. Defying State of California COVID mandated plant closing
  2. Relocating Tesla HQ
Senator Lorena Gonzalez (D) tweeted “F*ck Elon Musk” after which Elon acknowledged “message received”. Elon loves the state, California citizenry and the California environment that fostered birth of Tesla EV car culture. That love affair all started in California. California owns the most Teslas. California uses the most solar.

Tesla simply ran out of money to afford California. It couldn’t afford the ground costs to float a GigaFactory. It couldn’t afford the cost of living wage necessary to operate a GigaFactory in California. And Tesla ran out of ways to afford the overhead burden California imposes on all business, environmental and operational impacts that growth impacts inflict in the state.

For Elon it was more the case that Tesla simply ran out of runway in California. There’s plenty of opportunity to label revenge-seeking in Elon’s actions. There is truth in that… but only a grain, if it was. It was truly the grain that broke Tesla’s back.
I agree with your overall sentiments, but Tesla definitely could have continued to expand in California and been successful, just not as successful as they will be by making rational choices about where to expand. Elon is pragmatic and will make decisions he feels are most beneficial to the mission of accelerating humanities transition to sustainable energy.

There is nothing wrong with choosing an optimal location for success and it shouldn't be presented as a childish move like some people are doing. And it also wasn't absolutely necessary, but it would be foolish to not make the best decisions possible. In other words, it was strictly a business decision.

SpaceX was located in Texas for business reasons as well. The more southerly location reduces the amount of fuel needed to reach orbit and thus reduces the cost of getting customers payloads to orbit (amongst many other considerations that were favorable as well).
 

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Elon has twice stuck it to California.
  1. Defying State of California COVID mandated plant closing
  2. Relocating Tesla HQ
Senator Lorena Gonzalez (D) tweeted “F*ck Elon Musk” after which Elon acknowledged “message received”. Elon loves the state, California citizenry and the California environment that fostered birth of Tesla EV car culture. That love affair all started in California. California owns the most Teslas. California uses the most solar.

Tesla simply ran out of money to afford California. It couldn’t afford the ground costs to float a GigaFactory. It couldn’t afford the cost of living wage necessary to operate a GigaFactory in California. And Tesla ran out of ways to afford the overhead burden California imposes on all business, environmental and operational impacts that growth impacts inflict in the state.

For Elon it was more the case that Tesla simply ran out of runway in California. There’s plenty of opportunity to label revenge-seeking in Elon’s actions. There is truth in that… but only a grain, if it was. It was truly the grain that broke Tesla’s back.
This is misleading at best.

The closing was from the County, not the State. He was upset they had no transparent process to bring things back into operation. Tesla followed the best practices - although reports are that not all workers obeyed those - in their reopening and did not have any more cases than the state at large.

A state senator is part of the legislature. She's a junior state senator from Long Beach, and doesn't represent any of the towns that Tesla has more than a charger in. She has no sway over him. So why mention her attempt to get clicks?

And saying that Tesla can't afford wages in California is saying that you approve of people not being paid living wages.

That's the real disgusting gem in your post.

There is no evidence that California 'red tape' reduces productivity. More companies start and succeed from our state than any other in the Union.

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BTW, Im not hating on Tesla or Musk. I just see his actions as self serving narcissism
You've never met an actual narcissist if you think Elon is one of them. They're incapable of having feelings for others at all, and are selfish, demanding, and manipulative. "Narcissism" isn't a trait, it's a disorder.

However, most people in positions of power have psychopathic tendencies, such as low empathy and high self-worth. But such traits are useful professionally; for instance, someone with high empathy would make a terrible surgeon, because they'd be crying the whole time lol.

So yeah, I'm sure Elon has some rare properties in his personality spectrum, but that in no way makes him a narcissist. For a billionaire he actually seems pretty healthy lool
 


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And saying that Tesla can't afford wages in California is saying that you approve of people not being paid living wages.

That's the real disgusting gem in your post.
Thank you for your feedback.

Interesting Living wage offends. Fascinating that Tesla unable to afford disgusts. Let’s get right into money and economics then.

COL in Bay area isn’t cheap. AAPL is throwing $180k bonus(unscheduled) to retain its own employees. TSLA selling cars can’t afford to pass expensive employee perks along in the price of its cars. Elon Musk has recognized even suggested a basic income(Universal Basic Income colloquially) is a necessary step as manufacturing automates further reducing skilled labor. Surprised this is news that disgusts you. Living wage is right in Tesla’s wheelhouse as it automates and roboticizes. Elon just repositioned Tesla as a robotics and automation company.

Why do you think Tesla chose to build in TX? Move to TX? It sure was not Elon’s love of belt buckles, greenfields and dealerships in TX. Look around Austin TX. You’ll notice that Tesla suppliers are moving close to GigaFactory. Guaranteed its not Austin’s famous music.

Yep, good’ole economic. COL and living wages are an essential cost factor in the supplies Tesla sources for its products. Don’t go all woke, but 121 of Tesla’s supplier sources are domiciled in MX. Interesting Austin TX and MX are so close geographically.

Its simply uncompetitive for TSLA and Tesla cars to remain in a state where its more expensive to do business. It’s especially uncompetitive when a State Senator literally tells the world F*ck its CEO. Maybe in your cicle of influence, colleagues and friends a Senator is just a junior tweeter. I assure you that the EV buyer optics were Twitter “power speaking to industry“ in that tweet. After effects speak for themselves…

Take umbrage and the pretense it rode in on to this Living wage character assassination. Reality is that the $25k EV is the driving force to TSLA future success in maintaining future GigaFactories. Tesla will engineer, invent, redesign and automate using robotics where it can to get to $25k. It now has GigaFactored the machine to make the machines it sells in into that $25k price point.

After SOP in Austin at the moment production crosses over that long tailed hockeystick where all its costs fall below the curve into profitability the $25,000.00 Tesla is going to be possible. Thanks to TX after Tesla employees are the first people Elon acknowledges for making that happen. Tesla can’t build a car without them!

That’s Texas!
 

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I have seen engine swapped Jeeps still get stuck in sand and mud. Not sure that is a power or even torque issue… really need a winch kind of thing.

Keep up with what in the hills? Highway traffic? At a percentage of its towing capacity? What grade of hills? How aerodynamic is the trailer? At Highway speeds, that will make a huge difference…And did you mean blowing wind? Or just a head wind while towing? Again, the aero of the trailer and how much it fits into the wake of the CyberTruck will make a bigger difference.

As for OTA update bricking the truck, only time will tell. The only bricked Teslas I know about from an OTA were modified in someway by non-authorized people.

I have no idea what a tar line snap is… I even googled, assuming it was just a phrase I was unfamiliar with, but could not find anything…

Bump steer I am not too worried about unless it is excessive compared to other vehicles. I have have driven vehicles swing because one end or other had more authority… just getting used to how a specific vehicle drives these days… at least from my experience… but maybe some vehicle is really bad.

In my experience tire wear is more a result of how well aligned the suspension, how heavy footed the driver is, and the tire composition being bigger factors… but I guess if something is really crazy out of whack, it could effect tire wear… but not worried about it.

As for electronics vs manual… not sure what exactly you are referring to. There is no manual gearbox… Traction control?
As mentioned these are my needs that I’ve developed over years in trucks, towing and offroad. Otherwise, I can buy AWD SUV not a truck.

WRT:
winch kind of thing - technically “ liquid viscous coupler” automotive speak for torque converter driven powertrain. The brilliant minds that engineered it(RangeRover) didn’t power it with a motor with enough power to get above the threshold to engage unless the drivelines were moving. Stupid omission. Beautiful solution for taking driveline slack, snap and torque vibration out of the truck, though.

Keep up with what in the hills - CA traffic otherwise relegated behind tractor trailers in the slow lane.

At a percentage of its towing capacity- 70% is reasonable average EV expectation for Cybertruck. Tahoe tows ~8500 lbs trailer+ load

What grade of hills? 6% grade

How aerodynamic is the trailer? Aluminum 16’ trailer car hauler

At Highway speeds? CA Freeway 70-75 mph ‘cuz 3 days & 2300 mi.

blowing wind? Wyoming and sandblasting desert wind 25kts

a head wind while towing? Max. 18mph its no fun after that. The wind shadow of the CT will be lower than the Tahoe.

tar line snap - Drive a Porsche SUV then down a highway. It will drive you nuts.

electronics vs manual - too much electronics is marketing for younger who don’t know how to handle a truck in all kinds of shitty weather. As long as it doesn’t stop drivers doing the driving is my decision point.
 

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Just reminding everyone that the thread is about CT build. Thanks ☺
OK, then, Cybertruck build quality!

I hope it's as good as other Tesla models! The two 2018 Model 3's we have are excellent and the Cybertruck will not be built in a decrepit 50 year old factory they have in Fremont but a new, state of the art factory in Austin, TX. So, it will probably be even better! Without actual production examples in hand to inspect, what else is there to say?

It looks like you started this thread to praise Ford's build quality (really?) and instill fear, uncertainty and doubt that the Cybertruck build quality wouldn't be as good as your Mach-e. But the Cybertruck production line hasn't even started producing yet, so we have zero examples with which to judge build quality.

However, I certainly hope it's better than Fords only electric car. Did you see the Munro teardown where he faked fainting when he saw the mess of hoses, pumps and wiring and how it was all crammed in under the frunk? That is a nightmare of stuff to maintain down the road. Compare that to Tesla's more refined and unified approach with the octovalve and only 20% of the necessary plumbing. No wonder the Mach-e can't even match the larger Model Y's range even though it has skinny little tires, is smaller and has a much larger battery pack! Plus, the Cybertruck will be built in the USA, not Mexico.

On the other hand, we have actual production Mach-e examples and the look isn't good. Leaky roofs that can blow off in the wind:

Ford calls Mach-E back because the roof blows off - California18

Loose Windshields, Glass Roofs Force Recall of Ford Mustang Mach-E - The Detroit Bureau

Ford executives made fun of Tesla after a Model Y lost it's roof in California. What Ford didn't tell you is that roof had been recently replaced by a third-party glass company after an accident and the glue was not allowed to dry properly before the owners drove it off. It had nothing to do with Tesla. In contrast, Ford is recalling over 40,000 Mach-e's for roofs that were installed in a defective manner at their own factory in Mexico! That's like every Ford Mach-e every built!

If I were you, I would worry more about the long-term quality of your Mexican made Ford Mach-e than the more premium stainless steel and "metallic glass" Cybertruck that will be made in the brand new, state-of-the-art factory in Austin, TX. When Cybertrucks start rolling off the production line, I'm sure you will be able to find some media stories about defects. That will allow you to start more threads to question the overall quality of the Cybertruck and help you to feel better about your purchase of your Ford Mach-e. ;)

Until then, there is not a whole lot to say about Cybertruck build quality.
 


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OK, then, Cybertruck build quality!

I hope it's as good as other Tesla models! The two 2018 Model 3's we have are excellent and the Cybertruck will not be built in a decrepit 50 year old factory they have in Fremont but a new, state of the art factory in Austin, TX. So, it will probably be even better! Without actual production examples in hand to inspect, what else is there to say?

It looks like you started this thread to praise Ford's build quality (really?) and instill fear, uncertainty and doubt that the Cybertruck build quality wouldn't be as good as your Mach-e. But the Cybertruck production line hasn't even started producing yet, so we have zero examples with which to judge build quality.

However, I certainly hope it's better than Fords only electric car. Did you see the Munro teardown where he faked fainting when he saw the mess of hoses, pumps and wiring and how it was all crammed in under the frunk? That is a nightmare of stuff to maintain down the road. Compare that to Tesla's more refined and unified approach with the octovalve and only 20% of the necessary plumbing. No wonder the Mach-e can't even match the larger Model Y's range even though it has skinny little tires, is smaller and has a much larger battery pack! Plus, the Cybertruck will be built in the USA, not Mexico.

On the other hand, we have actual production Mach-e examples and the look isn't good. Leaky roofs that can blow off in the wind:

Ford calls Mach-E back because the roof blows off - California18

Loose Windshields, Glass Roofs Force Recall of Ford Mustang Mach-E - The Detroit Bureau

Ford executives made fun of Tesla after a Model Y lost it's roof in California. What Ford didn't tell you is that roof had been recently replaced by a third-party glass company after an accident and the glue was not allowed to dry properly before the owners drove it off. It had nothing to do with Tesla. In contrast, Ford is recalling over 40,000 Mach-e's for roofs that were installed in a defective manner at their own factory in Mexico! That's like every Ford Mach-e every built!

If I were you, I would worry more about the long-term quality of your Mexican made Ford Mach-e than the more premium stainless steel and "metallic glass" Cybertruck that will be made in the brand new, state-of-the-art factory in Austin, TX. When Cybertrucks start rolling off the production line, I'm sure you will be able to find some media stories about defects. That will allow you to start more threads to question the overall quality of the Cybertruck and help you to feel better about your purchase of your Ford Mach-e. ;)

Until then, there is not a whole lot to say about Cybertruck build quality.
Well “you need help”. People like you destroy all the goodness Tesla creates. No need to put out your frustrations here.

I am a future CT owner. That’s why I am on this forum unlike you who got no love in life and just want bark on everyone. I do not praise one EV over another. We all know CT is not built right now but there were some issues with Model 3 and Y which I raised to understand them better. All except you were humble enough to help me understand and not troll. I am on Mach-e forum and I raise my car issues there. But you my sir is “work of god”.

Again if u would “read” the whole thread U “may” understand better than vomiting stupid and uninformed derogatory comments here.

Anyways to all the sane people out there. I am always be a Tesla supporter and wish all these cars a success.

P.S - if not anything at least You got your name right “ASS”
 
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Thank you for your feedback.

Interesting Living wage offends. Fascinating that Tesla unable to afford disgusts. Let’s get right into money and economics then.

COL in Bay area isn’t cheap. AAPL is throwing $180k bonus(unscheduled) to retain its own employees. TSLA selling cars can’t afford to pass expensive employee perks along in the price of its cars. Elon Musk has recognized even suggested a basic income(Universal Basic Income colloquially) is a necessary step as manufacturing automates further reducing skilled labor. Surprised this is news that disgusts you. Living wage is right in Tesla’s wheelhouse as it automates and roboticizes. Elon just repositioned Tesla as a robotics and automation company.

Why do you think Tesla chose to build in TX? Move to TX? It sure was not Elon’s love of belt buckles, greenfields and dealerships in TX. Look around Austin TX. You’ll notice that Tesla suppliers are moving close to GigaFactory. Guaranteed its not Austin’s famous music.

Yep, good’ole economic. COL and living wages are an essential cost factor in the supplies Tesla sources for its products. Don’t go all woke, but 121 of Tesla’s supplier sources are domiciled in MX. Interesting Austin TX and MX are so close geographically.

Its simply uncompetitive for TSLA and Tesla cars to remain in a state where its more expensive to do business. It’s especially uncompetitive when a State Senator literally tells the world F*ck its CEO. Maybe in your cicle of influence, colleagues and friends a Senator is just a junior tweeter. I assure you that the EV buyer optics were Twitter “power speaking to industry“ in that tweet. After effects speak for themselves…

Take umbrage and the pretense it rode in on to this Living wage character assassination. Reality is that the $25k EV is the driving force to TSLA future success in maintaining future GigaFactories. Tesla will engineer, invent, redesign and automate using robotics where it can to get to $25k. It now has GigaFactored the machine to make the machines it sells in into that $25k price point.

After SOP in Austin at the moment production crosses over that long tailed hockeystick where all its costs fall below the curve into profitability the $25,000.00 Tesla is going to be possible. Thanks to TX after Tesla employees are the first people Elon acknowledges for making that happen. Tesla can’t build a car without them!

That’s Texas!
Yes, this is all gibberish. No, Apple isn't giving out bonuses equal to four operations techs.

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Well “you need help”. People like you destroy all the goodness Tesla creates. No need to put out your frustrations here.

I am a future CT owner. That’s why I am on this forum unlike you who got no love in life and just want bark on everyone. I do not praise one EV over another. We all know CT is not built right now but there were some issues with Model 3 and Y which I raised to understand them better. All except you were humble enough to help me understand and not troll. I am on Mach-e forum and I raise my car issues there. But you my sir is “work of god”.

Again if u would “read” the whole thread U “may” understand better than vomiting stupid and uninformed derogatory comments here.

Anyways to all the sane people out there. I am always be a Tesla supporter and wish all these cars a success.

P.S - if not anything at least You got your name right “ASS”
I'll smile and overlook your childish personal attacks, but I do want to point out that I don't treat all EV as equals for a very good reason:

Because all EV's were not created equal. Some are created better than others.

You recognized this when you started this thread with Post #1 that praised your Ford Mach-e and raised your doubts about the build quality of the Cybertruck.

The double-standard you display is mind-bogglingly obvious.
 

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