Calculate how much Payload your CyberTruck can carry. It's not 2,500lbs.

[Bsimmer3000]

Yeah it was a package you added to turn it into a HD version. I think the technical name was “HD payload package. Was kind of like the MAX tow package but it added some other stuff the Max tow package didn’t have but increased payload handling. I actually didn’t know a lot about trucks as that was my first truck and the dealer told me my truck had 3300lb payload. Found out a few weeks after that it actually had 900lb payload rating.

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[SolarWizard]

My f150 has a 900lb payload. I have had over 3k lbs in the bed and the truck handled with zero issues. I regularly have pallets in the 2500lb of wood flooring and tile too. Almost every supercrew/extended cab 1/2 ton you see towing or hauling material is over their spec's.

solidly ironic that just yesterday you countered my argument on ct payload with my platinum just has 900 lbs and today you seem to be implying that payload rating is irrelevant.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

solidly ironic that just yesterday you countered my argument on ct payload with my platinum just has 900 lbs and today you seem to be implying that payload rating is irrelevant.

My platinum does have 900lb payload. The CT has 2500lb payload. People are getting too caught up with what the manufacturer says. The guy with the drywall clearly went way over what the documentation says yet it was fine just like my truck was fine when I went 3x over its rated capacity.

 

[cvalue13]

The guy with the drywall clearly went way over what the documentation says yet it was fine just like my truck was fine when I went 3x over its rated capacity.

I don’t know about your truck/behaviors, but you also don’t know about the CT or if that guy was fine

people seem to be confusing what a truck will hold when everything goes right with what it will hold and behave relatively correct when things go wrong - the latter is (in the main) what the payload capacity is based upon




So back to your truck, I’m confused.

the dealer told me my truck had 3300lb payload. Found out a few weeks after that it actually had 900lb payload rating.

you’re saying you have an F150 with the HD Payload package, with 900lb payload?

maybe you’re confusing net payload after trailer weight for gross payload?

For example, Ford 3.5 Ecoboost Supercrew shortbed with a 145” wheelbase with HDPP has 14K towing, max 2,300lb gross payload, that after 10% tongue weight, leaves 900lbs of net remaining payload.

But I can’t figure what possible truck/configuration you would be talking about to go from 3,300 (3,325?) down to 900lb

Picture of your sticker?

 

[cvalue13]

Your points are valid, but they would also apply to the ICE half-ton competition (F-150, Chevy 1500, Tundra, etc.)

And if you see something that looks wrong, post your concerns, so I can improve it.

mostly agree with YDR37 (except I think Ram doesn’t advertising-calc their 1/2 ton payloads the same as the others, and so not all of points you made apply or apply equally to RAM)

but, the post is helpful for clarifying that Tesla’s payload figures work similar to other 1/2 ton trucks.



We don’t get any real intel on this topic on from the video of the drywall. People seem to think that the air suspension levels the truck tells us much. Tells us the air suspension is operational, I guess.?

end of the day, here’s the difference between Ford and the other 1/2 ton builders, vs Tesla: the others have for years pinched actual towing/payload performance away from of the 1/2 ton class (despite the marketing appearances) and instead focusing their HD capabilities up into their 3/4 ton class, with the 1/2 ton towing/payload battle being mostly a marketing battle for buyers like me - no substantive need for that headline performance, but subconsciously driven towards a psychological marketing angle. For heavy duty needs the other OEMs view their 1/2 tons as the little leagues,.

Because unlike Ford and the others, what Tesla doesn’t have is a 3/4 ton alternative.

which I guess is to say, it’s arguably awkward to raise too loud of a voice about the CT nameplate payload being at or higher than a given 1/2 ton from another OEM. They just glance to their 3/4 ton + range.


Thise OEM’s are behind the scenes saying, “we’ve been kneecapping our 1/2 ton for years but papering over it with marketing, in order to push the rare and actual “HD” buyer up into the 3/4 segment - in part because that’s where we’re not saddled by EPA regs, etc. … so where, Mr. Musk, are you funneling your real HD buyers?”

again, the 1/2 ton space is still where Tesla only wants to be as a product. And the other OEMs sure don’t want to loose that marketing battle at the 1/2 ton level because that’s where a lot of bread gets buttered.

Just saying the “battle” for 1/2 ton payload capabilities isn’t genuinely being fought by the other OEMs for a while now.

the Cybertruck payload *asterisks* you’ve pointed out are in the CT also either because Tesla’s playing that same marketing game, or Tesla doesn’t know those are like little league rules.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

I don’t know about your truck/behaviors, but you also don’t know about the CT or if that guy was fine

people seem to be confusing what a truck will hold when everything goes right with what it will hold and behave relatively correct when things go wrong - the latter is (in the main) what the payload capacity is based upon




So back to your truck, I’m confused.



you’re saying you have an F150 with the HD Payload package, with 900lb payload?

maybe you’re confusing net payload after trailer weight for gross payload?

For example, Ford 3.5 Ecoboost Supercrew shortbed with a 145” wheelbase with HDPP has 14K towing, max 2,300lb gross payload, that after 10% tongue weight, leaves 900lbs of net remaining payload.

But I can’t figure what possible truck/configuration you would be talking about to go from 3,300 (3,325?) down to 900lb

Picture of your sticker?

Your payload is your GVRW minus your GVW. My truck weights around 6300-6400lbs. It’s not the HD payload package truck but it does have the extra leaf in the rear from that package. Sticker says 900lbs payload and I have had over 3x that in the bed. Normally around 2500lbs most commonly though.

 

[Ward L]

My f150 has a 900lb payload. I have had over 3k lbs in the bed and the truck handled with zero issues. I regularly have pallets in the 2500lb of wood flooring and tile too. Almost every supercrew/extended cab 1/2 ton you see towing or hauling material is over their spec's.

Same here, my F150 SuperCrew is rated for 1k# and I've hauled 2k#. But remember, these rides are "Built Tough".

 

[Bartman]

Y'all are both skirting my point. My post specified "Provided you don't overload the rear axle..."

My point was that the weight added to the rear axle due to leverage force doesn't get added to the "payload".

How do you figure the weight ON the hitch does not get added in to the max total payload? If anything it's more relevant bucause the weight is further away from the rear axle, making a fulcrum. It seems you are suggesting you can load up 2,500 total pounds, and then you are better off after you hook up a trailer with 1,000 pounds of tongue weight and that 1,000 pounds gets subtracted so you then load another 1,000 pounds in the frunk. It does not work that way. But I can see how 1,000 pounds on the hitch would potentially give you more weight allowable in the frunk space, as long as the total weight, including passengers and including the weight on top of the hitch, does not exceed 2,500 pounds.....

 

[cvalue13]

Your payload is your GVRW minus your GVW. My truck weights around 6300-6400lbs. It’s not the HD payload package truck but it does have the extra leaf in the rear from that package. Sticker says 900lbs payload and I have had over 3x that in the bed. Normally around 2500lbs most commonly though.

So your F150 *doesnt* have HDPP, but *does* have a headline gross payload of 3,300lbs?

But yea, the payload sticker reflects the available remaining net payload of your specific vehicle after deducting:

(a) any options added to your truck, as compared to the base vehicle platform available, and

(b) all fluids, including radiator, a full tank of gas, etc., and

(c) for some manufacturers (Ford for one), a 150lb driver-occupant

From that low net payload posture, if you want to tow something you then look to the relevant towing net payload - subtracting the theoretical 10% trailer tongue weight max transferred to the vehicle weight. And THEN recognize that after tongue weight net number might only work, technically, with the right type of hitch that works to distribute the 10% to the ~entire truck as opposed to only loading the rear axle.

So yeah, a Platinum trim will almost always have the worst possible net payload, esp for towinf Especially if equipped with the 36gal extended range fuel tank (~230lbs alone). Especially if equipped with eg the 22” wheel/tire (for both weight and load reasons).

It’s for these reasons that people who seek to configure 1/2 trucks to use as duty vehicles, are not looking to higher trims (least of all Platinums), but instead low trims like XLt and work trucks, and 18” rims not 20”/22” rims, etc.

Ford doesn’t even offer HDPP in higher trims (see earlier comment about OEMs increasingly neutering 1/2 ton lineup duty, and segmenting towards 3/4 ton as their ‘real’ duty offering).



And as someone mentioned earlier, will be interesting to see the various Cybertruck net payload after configured / wet numbers.

Some of that is what is shown in OP’s chart. CT Premium wheels weigh more than the base wheels, etc.

And of course, particularly heavy CT options like the Range Extender and forthcoming wireless charging offering can work to really slaughter the true net payload. Add a spare tire, molly panels, lightbar, etc., and …

 

[Bsimmer3000]

So your F150 *doesnt* have HDPP, but *does* have a headline gross payload of 3,300lbs?

But yea, the payload sticker reflects the available remaining net payload of your specific vehicle after deducting:

(a) any options added to your truck, as compared to the base vehicle platform available, and

(b) all fluids, including radiator, a full tank of gas, etc., and

(c) for some manufacturers (Ford for one), a 150lb driver-occupant

From that low net payload posture, if you want to tow something you then look to the relevant towing net payload - subtracting the theoretical 10% trailer tongue weight max transferred to the vehicle weight. And THEN recognize that after tongue weight net number might only work, technically, with the right type of hitch that works to distribute the 10% to the ~entire truck as opposed to only loading the rear axle.

So yeah, a Platinum trim will almost always have the worst possible net payload, esp for towinf Especially if equipped with the 36gal extended range fuel tank (~230lbs alone). Especially if equipped with eg the 22” wheel/tire (for both weight and load reasons).

It’s for these reasons that people who seek to configure 1/2 trucks to use as duty vehicles, are not looking to higher trims (least of all Platinums), but instead low trims like XLt and work trucks, and 18” rims not 20”/22” rims, etc.

Ford doesn’t even offer HDPP in higher trims (see earlier comment about OEMs increasingly neutering 1/2 ton lineup duty, and segmenting towards 3/4 ton as their ‘real’ duty offering).



And as someone mentioned earlier, will be interesting to see the various Cybertruck net payload after configured / wet numbers.

Some of that is what is shown in OP’s chart. CT Premium wheels weigh more than the base wheels, etc.

And of course, particularly heavy CT options like the Range Extender and forthcoming wireless charging offering can work to really slaughter the true net payload. Add a spare tire, molly panels, lightbar, etc., and …

When I bought the truck I knew nothing about trucks. The dealer said the model I was ordering had a 3300lv payload and 11.3klb towing. But of course I found out later it didn’t after I owned it. The truck actually weights about 6500lb on the scales but I have some of my own stuff in the truck like ratchet straps, jump pack etc etc. my trailer is only a 7500lb trailer so it has no issue with that. It also has no issue with packets of flooring or concrete. Technically it can’t handle it based on the sticker but it does.

adding 20” tons on my platinum actually increased its load handling performance as the other wheel for some odd reason added the extra leaf that the HDPP added.

I guess until we know what people are towing and hauling daily non of will really know what’s the norm on These things. Just as many super crew trucks in the road are over loaded regularly with just passengers and cargo let alone a trailer. Most people don’t know the specifics of what the numbers mean yet the family of 5 towing their 11k RV with a bed full of gear don’t understand how much over their payload figures they are. I always say if you are towing more than a dual 3500lb axle trailer then get a 3/4ton. But there’s people out there who tow regularly with massive bumper pull fully optioned loaded to the max 1/2 tons.

 

[cvalue13]

I always say if you are towing more than a dual 3500lb axle trailer then get a 3/4ton.

this is roughly also my vibe

which causes me no end of confusion on this or the Lightning forum

people gripe eg “you can’t do any *real* towing with this thing” which I find ridiculous

then they go on to say what they consider *real* towing, and I realize the miscommunication

I thought they meant “real 1/2 ton towing” when they meant “probably shouldn’t be looking at 1/2 ton trucks in the first place”

 

[Bsimmer3000]

this is roughly also my vibe

which causes me no end of confusion on this or the Lightning forum

people gripe eg “you can’t do any *real* towing with this thing” which I find ridiculous

then they go on to say what they consider *real* towing, and I realize the miscommunication

I thought they meant “real 1/2 ton towing” when they meant “probably shouldn’t be looking at 1/2 ton trucks in the first place”

For the 3-4x a year you might tie a 12k lb trailer with a f150 it will be fine but if you tow a lot like a lot of people act like they do with EV’s then get a diesel 3/4+ ton I say.

 

[YDR37]

what Tesla doesn’t have is a 3/4 ton alternative.

The Cybertruck announced in 2019 was a 3/4-ton alternative. It had the curb weight of an F-150, combined with the payload of an F-250.

Unfortunately, Tesla did not deliver the 2019 Cybertruck. The 2024 Cybertruck has the curb weight of an F-250, combined with the payload of an F-150.

 

[cvalue13]

The Cybertruck announced in 2019 was a 3/4-ton alternative. It had the curb weight of an F-150, combined with the payload of an F-250.

Unfortunately, Tesla did not deliver the 2019 Cybertruck. The 2024 Cybertruck has the curb weight of an F-250, combined with the payload of an F-150.

precisely

for Tesla, I think that change was a very smart move. If you care about money and market penetration, you’ll choose the pool of [1/2 ton + midsized + sedan/SUV convert] every day over the pool of [actually needs 3/4 ton capabilities]

But for people actually needing 3/4 ton capabilities, it’s certainly a downer


The narrow group left potentially still confused: those who don’t know they actually probably need a 3/4 ton truck, but don’t understand the 1/2 ton truck marketing stats game

then they come here mad that the reason the CT won’t tow a 8,000lb tandem-axel RV across country 6 times a year is … range

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