Charging options?

[JCERRN]

Are you hiring yourself?

There's a difference between being hired to do repairs and doing it yourself.

-Crissa

Permits for work can only be pulled by licensed people. Work is not legal without a permit

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[JCERRN]

There is a ton of information on this site, were you looking at a particular section? Homeowners still retain the rights to perform their own work.

Yes, homeowners can pull permits for building work, but for any electrical, plumbing, gas work, only licensed people can apply for an obtain permits for this work.

 

[Crissa]

Permits for work can only be pulled by licensed people. Work is not legal without a permit

Yeah, that seems like something someone should sue about; requiring an electrician to do the paperwork is a waste of the electrical expertise.

But as far as I can read, no, the state does not actually outlaw homeowners repairing their own homes - just that they've decided to block homeowners from applying for permits and getting inspections.

https://diy.stackexchange.com/quest...a-permit-for-electrical-work-in-massachusetts

If I need to put something to a panel, I usually have an electrician show up and do the last couple wire twists. Snaking wire and installing fixtures aren't journeyman tasks, anyhow; they should be fielding that out to novices and apprentices.

-Crissa

 

[REM]

Yes, homeowners can pull permits for building work, but for any electrical, plumbing, gas work, only licensed people can apply for an obtain permits for this work.

Can you show me in the law where it says this? Because I am seeing otherwise.

 

[JCERRN]

Can you show me in the law where it says this? Because I am seeing otherwise.

See, this is the thing about MA laws and regs. They are intentionally vague. The law states that permits can only be pulled by licensed persons, but it does not specifically say that homeowners cannot do their own work if a permit is obtained. Additionally, prior approval must be obtained by the wiring inspector for the homeowner to do the work themselves. Additionally, the liability for the work will fall on the person with the license who pulled the permit, so though “technically” a homeowner can do the work if they somehow convince an electrician to let them do the work themselves under the permit that the electrician applies for, good luck finding an electrician that will put their locense on the line for work they dont do.

 

[Crissa]

See, this is the thing about MA laws and regs. They are intentionally vague. The law states that permits can only be pulled by licensed persons, but it does not specifically say that homeowners cannot do their own work if a permit is obtained. Additionally, prior approval must be obtained by the wiring inspector for the homeowner to do the work themselves. Additionally, the liability for the work will fall on the person with the license who pulled the permit, so though “technically” a homeowner can do the work if they somehow convince an electrician to let them do the work themselves under the permit that the electrician applies for, good luck finding an electrician that will put their locense on the line for work they dont do.

They all do that all the time with novices and apprentices. If they don't know how to inspect their own work, they're not good electricians in the first place.

Anyhow, way off topic! I know the limits in my jurisdiction which are pretty broad (and I've gotten compliments each time I'd had an electrician or plumber out to inspect my work.) Don't be afraid of the work!

And don't sweat the amps. You can replace amps with hours so find a charging solution that works for you!

-Crissa

 

[EDDOC]

Spoke with an electricial company today regarding powershare installation and/or regular charging plugs and they told me that they can do the work with and without a permit.
when asked if it was a requirement they said it’s optional … which seems odd to me.
Seems like a reputable company with most + reviews

i’m in SE Florida

 

[HaulingAss]

Waiting for my truck to arrive, debating on charging options.
one of my work sites has free chargers available where i’ll be able to charge for about half of the month.

have you found the 120v sufficient for in town driving?
debating on adding a 220v plug vs the universal charger but Floridas FPL ev home charger.

i’ll try the 120 for a while and evaluate my use. just concern on how long it would take to have other options installed and if the 120 is sufficient

I recommend avoiding the need for a 240V outlet, it's actually easier/less expensive/safer and more efficient to just hardwire a Wall Connector to a 240V breaker. As a homeowner, you can pull the electrical permit yourself and do the work yourself. You should be familiar with all electrical code provisions relating to your project but, in many jurisdictions, you can get help from the relevant code authorities as to what is required.

Don't do the work yourself unless you are handy with this sort of work. It requires the proper forming and routing of the solid copper conductors to make solid connections with the screw terminals on the breaker and the Wall Connector. It's not difficult but it does require basic skills with your hands and tools like needle nose pliers. The terminals also need to be torqued properly. Unfortunately, even many licensed electricians get in a hurry and do sub-standard work.

The electrical outlet is an unnecessary complication; keep it simple.

No, a 120V outlet is not a good solution for a Model 3, and especially not for a Cybertruck. It's considerably less efficient than a 240V direct wire solution.

 

[HaulingAss]

Check local regs. Homeowners in some states (like mine) are legally not allowed to do their own electrical work.

Well, Massachusetts has become quite the nanny-state, but homeowners can still generally do their own work. The local jurisdiction could push back on granting a permit if the applicant doesn't show enough understanding of the work involved but, even if you are fully competent, it's probably not worth it to fight them unless you simply want to make a point.

I call it a nanny-state for many reasons but one of the saddest reasons is that you need a permit just to have a garage sale, something I've always thought was a great American right (no permits needed).

 

[JCERRN]

Spoke with an electricial company today regarding powershare installation and/or regular charging plugs and they told me that they can do the work with and without a permit.
when asked if it was a requirement they said it’s optional … which seems odd to me.
Seems like a reputable company with most + reviews

i’m in SE Florida

Ultimately, all of this permit/no permit stuff comes down to whether your insurance company will cover you if your house burns down due to that work.

Well, Massachusetts has become quite the nanny-state, but homeowners can still generally do their own work. The local jurisdiction could push back on granting a permit if the applicant doesn't show enough understanding of the work involved but, even if you are fully competent, it's probably not worth it to fight them unless you simply want to make a point.


I call it a nanny-state for many reasons but one of the saddest reasons is that you need a permit just to have a garage sale, something I've always thought was a great American right (no permits needed).

oh trust me, i feel you. But the reality is this statement holds true

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

George Carlin

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that enough people have burned down theirs and other's houses thinking they knew what they were doing and well… didnt. Insurance companies are strong lobbies in MA.


“Who did the electrical work in this house?" "That would be my nephew Thomas, he's very handy."
“when did his house burn down?
"Oh about two years ago — how did you know his house burned down?"

 

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[hemiarch]

I totally recommend the V3 Wall Charger. Totally worth it in the long run, and really makes having an EV seamless. If you are comfortable with electricity, you can do it yourself. I installed my first, and am installing an outside station so I can easily charge the CT without moving the model Y out of the garage.

Yes, but it’s a good idea to splurge the extra few bucks and get the universal wall connector over the regular gen 3 in case you want to do PowerShare later or group power management. Also handy to be able to do other stuff with it without an adapter.

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