Cybertruck Highway Range Test (Dual-Motor AWD) -- Run Until Battery Empty (by Out Of Spec)

[Pops]

The good news is this shrinks the range gap between the CT and Cyberbeast even smaller! I need to rationalize spending 20k, dont take this away from me.

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[Cyber Man]

After watching this range test, I need to decide between my Airstream trailer versus Cyberbeast FS. I'm very concerned with this low range. After few years, the range is going to further drop by at least 10%. I'm not surprised if the Cyberbeast FS range drops to around 120 to 140 miles range after few years, if you are accounting only 10% to 80% charging capacity. If I tow, it'll be less than 100 miles! The low range is going to be a deal breaker. I'll most likely sell the trailer.

I'm hoping to keep Cyberbeast FS for several year. I don't know if it's still possible to switch to dual motor FS after 1K deposit. I put the deposit on 12/22.

 

[intimidator]

Slight correction. $100,000 for 200 miles of real world range. You will be charging to 100% vary rarely and if you want to take it to 0% you will have to get a tow.....

Understood.

Good plan, make it $100,000 instead of $69,000 and make it 200 miles of range instead of 500 miles. They teach that at Stanford?

 

[CybertruckRN1127]

So the MBAs (which I am not sure Tesla even has) said:

Announce the Cybertruck, promise a LR long range of 500 miles with 3 motors for $69,000

but when we come out with the vehicle, after several years of delays, let's price the longest range at $79,000, only give it 2 motors and 254 miles of real world range. That way we don't cannibalize our sales of X/S !!

Good plan.

Yeah, the original spec was too good and too cheap. Elon was trolling and forced Rivian and others to rush their products. Rvian R1S are still delivering at $75k to the original reservation owners. My co-worker just picked his up at that price. There is no way they would compete with themselves. Even if it's at $80k 500 miles AWD, there would he no point in anyone buying a Model X or S. Even with the market now, the foundation is prices too low. There is still more demand then that could produce.

I wouldn't be surprised when non-foundations are ready for orders that the price will increase. Note all pricing are listed as estimates currently.

 

[VDR]

I went from 2.05 miles/kwh to 1.72 changing from 21" road tires to 20" ATs on my R1T.
I think the CT did pretty damn good considering it's bigger, wider

OoS just did the same range test a week ago with the R1T DM Large & Max with an efficiency of 2.4 (2.41-2.38). Extrapolated it was 317mi/340miles to empty but significantly more than the CT.
I did expect the CT to be worse as well but it appears the full 123kwh is useable I was only expecting 115kwh useable.

Slight correction. $100,000 for 200 miles of real world range. You will be charging to 100% vary rarely and if you want to take it to 0% you will have to get a tow.....

All depends on one's definition of real world range but in this case it was 10mph below posted speed limit. Local driving range is somewhat irrelevant its highway road trip range that matters.

 

[intimidator]

After watching this range test, I need to decide between my Airstream trailer versus Cyberbeast FS. I'm very concerned with this low range. After few years, the range is going to further drop by at least 10%. I'm not surprised if the Cyberbeast FS range drops to around 120 to 140 miles range after few years, if you are accounting only 10% to 80% charging capacity. If I tow, it'll be less than 100 miles! The low range is going to be a deal breaker. I'll most likely sell the trailer.

I'm hoping to keep Cyberbeast FS for several year. I don't know if it's still possible to switch to dual motor FS after 1K deposit. I put the deposit on 12/22.

If you don't already own the Airstream, hell, buy an RV. You will get better range

Seriously though, the Cybertruck is a cool, hi-tech vehicle, but it is not one size fits all.
Most likely if you need to tow more than 40-50 miles, the best solution is an ICE truck.
You can get a F250, Ram 2500, etc. and have no worries.

If you travel to the in-laws several times a year, and it is 500+ miles away, the Cybertruck probably not the best fit as your only vehicle.

On the other hand, I bet the Cybertuck is a quiet, powerful ride, with a nice locking tonneau and it can pull out tree stumps, if you need to do a little work done around the yard.

 

[sstevens805]

at only 2x the price. What a bargain

Damn, when you put it that way . . .

Almost sounds like you're playing cyber mind games to get me to cancel! You can have my reservation when you pry it from my cold rolled stainless steel hand which Neuralink might debut by the time my reservation is called up

 

[Coltpete]

I share the same sentiment. Apart from rhe exterior shell and steer by wire this feels like a last gen lightning rather than a next gen battery truck. Keep in mind the lightning was a retrofit, Ford basically just converted an existing body into an EV. Tesla has had 4+ years to built and optimize this completely from the ground up. I imagine the next gen Ford pickup ev will be a significant improvement over thr lightning which has now been out for a few years.

 

[intimidator]

Yeah, the original spec was too good and too cheap. Elon was trolling and forced Rivian and others to rush their products. Rvian R1S are still delivering at $75k to the original reservation owners. My co-worker just picked his up at that price. There is no way they would compete with themselves. Even if it's at $80k 500 miles AWD, there would he no point in anyone buying a Model X or S. Even with the market now, the foundation is prices too low. There is still more demand then that could produce.

I wouldn't be surprised when non-foundations are ready for orders that the price will increase. Note all pricing are listed as estimates currently.

I don't mind paying up to about $85,000 for the Cybertruck, with options, plus the locked in FSD price I have.

But IMO the demand for $100,000+ vehicles is very finite. I know a lot of people that own their own businesses, do very well, can afford the price, but they don't want to pay that much for any vehicle. We will see how things pan out after the first 100,000 have been delivered at over $100,000 bucks. THEN we will find out how big of demand still exists.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I do sometimes but there are many times like this Tuesday I did not stop once . Plus stopping to use restroom at a rest area takes 5 minutes or less . This would require finding a supercharger and stopping for 30 min plus . The 500 miles really was a main selling point to my needs . My state also does not have a ton of superchargers on route the main one is a 10 minute detour as well.

We really need superchargers at Interstate rest areas. Those are so easy to get on and off the highway. Hopefully one day they can change the rules that forbid them.

 

[Crissa]

Or, hear me out, this site is full of cheerleaders like yourself who will make continued excuses for the current performance of the product.

The CT will work for ME.

I live in a state with a huge amount of truck owners.

A pretty low percentage of those owners would be satisfied with the current range capabilities of the CT for their use... especially since I live in a place that sees months of below freezing temps.

It's important to be realistic that the product won't meet the needs of many perspective customers who can afford it, because the supply of consumers who will pay $80K for one is limited.

No.

Yeah, if they're used to there being a gas station on every corner and never plugging in... they'll ne disappointed. Because no EV ever will do that.

With big batteries, you're just trading charging time for distance.

EVs are already massively more efficient, can charge at home or your destination, but they can't break the laws of nature which affect even ICE powered vehicles.

I remember when there wasn't a gas station on every corner; so these rural guys who don't, sound like whiners to me. I grew up in a one station town, and when they shut down, we were in trouble.

We really need superchargers at Interstate rest areas. Those are so easy to get on and off the highway. Hopefully one day they can change the rules that forbid them.

Exactly. Any place you expect to park needs to have DC fast or AC quick charging. This is the era of EVs.

It's not like most of these places don't have power. Our rural grid is pretty strong.

-Crissa

 

[intimidator]

I share the same sentiment. Apart from rhe exterior shell and steer by wire this feels like a last gen lightning rather than a next gen battery truck. Keep in mind the lightning was a retrofit, Ford basically just converted an existing body into an EV. Tesla has had 4+ years to built and optimize this completely from the ground up. I imagine the next gen Ford pickup ev will be a significant improvement over thr lightning which has now been out for a few years.

Good point.

Ford doesn't get enough credit for beating the Cybertruck to market by 2 years....and with 320 miles of range, and based on actual owner reviews the truck has been very well received.

Gen 2 of the Lightning, especially if Ford can find a way to build it and sell it for about $60,000-$70,000, should do very well.

As will the Cybertruck.

 

[canyoncarver]

No.

Yeah, if they're used to there being a gas station on every corner and never plugging in... they'll ne disappointed. Because no EV ever will do that.

With big batteries, you're just trading charging time for distance.

EVs are already massively more efficient, can charge at home or your destination, but they can't break the laws of nature which affect even ICE powered vehicles.

I remember when there wasn't a gas station on every corner, so these rural guys who don't sound like whiners to me. I grew up in a one station town, and when they shut down, we were in trouble.

-Crissa

Yes, an EV is far more efficient and for someone who lives in a part of the country with reasonable electric prices and/or solar they will save a decent amount over the longterm with an electric truck than a gas burner.

However, an optioned up $70,000 F150 with a standard fuel tank has an over 500 mile range. Even when towing in cold weather you can drive for several hours and re-fueling is easier.

Tesla and Tesla proponents (like me, I own a decent amount of $TSLA) need to be honest, and push Elon and the rest of Tesla on the reality that the CT in current form is pretty niche and range is going to have to go up substantially over the next few years to win over people who won't otherwise consider the CT as their first EV purchase.

 

[Crissa]

I have an early reservation for a launch edition Silverado RST. They will be able to start using Superchargers 1st half of this year (adapter). With a range of 400 miles, it is much more compelling as a $100k truck. And an R1T is (IMO) much more compelling at its pricepoint as well (though driver plus totally sucks). Big question will be whether I go with any $100k truck.

The available Silverado is still twice the price they said it would start at.

And I'm baffled that anyone would cross-shop an R1T (short wheelbase, short bed) against a full-sized truck.

-Crissa

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