Not sure where you got that number. Ram is claiming tow capacity of 14,000 lbs and payload of 2,625 lbs for the 1500 REV. For comparison, both numbers exceed the ratings for any Cybertruck.How can it be considered a full-size pickup if it has a tow rating of only 5,000 lbs?
Clearly there is a spectrum that runs something like this:As a side note, my personal criteria for an EV is that it doesn't have a gas tank and an exhaust pipe that spews toxic gasses, the Ram 1500 REV doesn't qualify as an EV, regardless of how the auto industry classifies it. The industry can greenwash all they want as they avoid making EVs in volume, an EV doesn't have an exhaust pipe.
As far as I can see, Ram isn't "greenwashing" the 1500 REV, because they make no claims that it offers any environmental benefits. Ram is promoting the 1500 REV as a full-sized truck with high hp, high torque, fast acceleration, and long range. They're not promoting it as an eco-friendly solution to the climate crisis -- probably because no Ram customers would care about that anyway.The industry can greenwash all they want as they avoid making EVs in volume, an EV doesn't have an exhaust pipe.
You're right, I was remembering the announced Scout EREV that went from 10K towing in the all electric model to 5K towing in the EREV model.Not sure where you got that number. Ram is claiming tow capacity of 14,000 lbs and payload of 2,625 lbs for the 1500 REV. For comparison, both numbers exceed the ratings for any Cybertruck.
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I understand the different powertrains available, I'm just saying an electric vehicle doesn't have a tailpipe, that's a hybrid or an ICE vehicle. It's the industry that is trying to greenwash these dubious designs on an unsuspecting public by calling them EVs when they are not.Clearly there is a spectrum that runs something like this:
(1) pure ICE - no battery/motor
(2) mild hybrids - battery/motor supplements ICE
(3) PHEVs - battery/motor can replace ICE for short distances
(4) EREVs - battery/motor like an EV, but including an ICE acting as generator
(5) pure EV - no ICE
Maybe it doesn't make sense to draw a sharp line when a spectrum exists. But for practical purposes, mild hybrids and PHEVs commonly share designs with ICE vehicles. In contrast, EREVs can share designs with EVs; the only significant difference is the addition of a generator. For example, the forthcoming Scout pickup/SUV will be offered as both a pure EV and as an EREV; the Scout CEO has noted that it is easy to make both on the same assembly lines. So if you were forced to draw a sharp line, there's a case for putting it between (3) and (4).
RAM markets the current Ram 1500 REV (a range-extended electric vehicle, or EREV/series hybrid, formerly known as the Ramcharger) explicitly as an electric truck—specifically the “World’s First-Ever Range-Extended Full-Size Electric Pickup Truck.”As far as I can see, Ram isn't "greenwashing" the 1500 REV, because they make no claims that it offers any environmental benefits. Ram is promoting the 1500 REV as a full-sized truck with high hp, high torque, fast acceleration, and long range. They're not promoting it as an eco-friendly solution to the climate crisis -- probably because no Ram customers would care about that anyway.
My guess: Tesla will start offering pre-owned Cybertrucks after they start getting lease returns.Question, when is Tesla going to have pre owned Cybertruck inventory?
I have no clue what the pricing will look like.At a reasonable price?
Tesla prices all their trade-ins/leases at supply/demand market prices. They sell most of them at action at low wholesale prices because they don't consider themselves used car dealers, they are producers of electric vehicles, they only buy used cars from customers to facilitate the sale and lease of new cars. They will even accept your used non-Tesla as a trade-in (which they will immediately send to an action house). They never pay top dollar, just wholesale prices, for their customers that want the convenience, and to help facilitate getting new customers into electric carsMy guess: Tesla will start offering pre-owned Cybertrucks after they start getting lease returns.
When will that be? Well, Tesla didn't start leasing Cybertrucks until November 2024, about a year after introduction. The leases run 24 or 36 months. So even the earliest and shortest Cybertruck leases aren't due to run out until November 2026.
Tesla should start getting lots of CT lease returns in 2027-2028, and I suspect that's when the inventory system will start listing pre-owned CTs.
I have no clue what the pricing will look like.
The EV credit was never meant to be forever. It was supposed to bootstrap manufactures to offset original R&D costs. Mission accomplished. Tesla, GM, Hyundai, Kia all have solid EV's available for reasonable prices without the credit. Ford failed. Instead a per car tax credit, the government should be investing in the charging infrastructure without all the BS DEI overhead and more nuclear power for cheaper electricity.Yeah, I have seen and agree with that assessment. The cancellation of the EV credit is really kicking everybody’s ass.
I think governmental retreat on this will be eventually seen as a huge blunder. We’ve confused sound policy for anti-capitalism. We’ve handed the keys to the future to China.
Not going to do partisan politics, but anybody who wants to trot out the company line on this subject (subsidies = communism) needs to remember/learn that but for government meddling, the petroleum industry would not have existed. It’s asinine to shoot ourselves in the foot on the future under the guise that the role of the government isn’t to “pick winners.” One need look no further than the
Mineral Leasing Act of 1920 (and numerous other actions before and since). 🫤
Some of the very first cars ever made were electric, and if it wasn’t for dirt cheap petroleum products (thanks to our government), electricity probably would’ve won from the start.
*ie Robert Anderson’s electric carriage, 1832–1839, decades before Karl Benz’s gasoline automobile of 1885/86.
Like I’ve said before, Morons v. Machiavellians is going to be the complete ruin of this nation! The Machiavellians know what they’re doing and they know this history. The morons don’t know shit, and they never learn!![]()
There are currently 2,601 new F150 Lightning available nationwide.Cox/KBB released their 1Q 2026 EV sales estimates for the US today. EV pickup sales were estimated as follows:
3,519 Tesla Cybertruck (down 45.1% from 1Q 2025)
2,060 Ford F-150 Lightning (down 71.3%; discontinued)
1,658 Rivian R1T (down 4.0%)
1,406 Chevrolet Silverado (down 41.0%)
1,286 GMC Sierra (up 3.1%)
551 GMC Hummer (down 52.5%; pickup is an estimated 1/3 of 1,653 combined SUV/pickup sales)
Overall it was a pretty bad quarter for EV pickup sales. However, the Cybertruck sold the most.
It's not a pickup, so I didn't list it above, but the vehicle to watch in the EV truck category this year might be the Rivian EDV500/700 delivery van. Rivian sold 3,213 EDVs, up 118.7% from 1Q 2025.
Slate: mid-$20s K to ?Cybertruck: $80K
F150 Lightning: $60K to $70K
Rivian R1T: $80K to $95K
Silverado: $55K to $100K
Sierra: $62K to $100K
GMC Hummer: $100K
hehe remember when people were adding the Silverado and Sierra sales together to make the Cybertruck sales look worse? That seems to have stopped now lolHa-ha! That's funny!
I hope you are not being serious.
It doesn't really matter how you slice and dice the 1Q 2026 sales numbers. The bottom line is that the sales sucked for every EV pickup. You could combine the Silverado and Sierra numbers and they would still suck.hehe remember when people were adding the Silverado and Sierra sales together to make the Cybertruck sales look worse? That seems to have stopped now lol