Elon Musk doesn't care if the Cybertruck flops

[Diehard]

Yup, I am sure there were people like that in 1910s & 1920s that would not buy a Ford Model T or any of the other gall darn machines. Their pappy and their pappy's pappy used a horse & wagon so that is how things should be. Those wrist breaking, noisy, smoke spewing machines look weird too. Look nothing like a fine horse with it's shape sculpted by god. With their horse they did not have to buy gas from some out of stater or worse a furriener company from the middle-east. All they need do is let "Ole Bessy" loose in the yard to eat & she is ready to go the next morning. No wasted trip to some special store (ie. gas station). If the wagon gets too beat-up looking they will just go out into the back yard and cut down a 100 year old cherry tree to make a new wagon.

Brilliant. You articulated this perfectly. Who knew all we had to do to prevent environmental disaster, war for oil, noise, pollution and flood due to all the paved roads was to listen to the old pappy. You totally sold me on pappy wisdom

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[Cyberman]

I wonder if Elon raised the price of each trim by $20K, would our opinions of CT be exactly the same?

Will you just be quiet?!?!?!?! The last thing we want is Elon hearing how much more we'd be willing to pay. Shees.

 

[JBee]

Brilliant. You articulated this perfectly. Who knew all we had to do to prevent environmental disaster, war for oils, noise, pollution and floods for all the paved roads, ….. was to listen to the old pappy. You totally sold me on pappy wisdom

I remember wandering the halls of the inventor of automobiles and electric cars, in the Mercedes museum in Stuttgart, and showing my boys pictures of people with pitchforks chasing ICE powered cars out of town because they thought they were possessed. Turns out they weren't that far from the truth.

Question is are EVs going to have the same effect? Either way? We are still transforming nature to get it to do what we want, but is there a better less resource intensive wayto do what we need to do? I know of one or two.

The other dilemma we have is what are we going to make roads out if instead of the waste products of fossil fuel production when we transition to 100% EV?

Elon?

 

[Throwcomputer]

I remeber wondering the halls of the inventor of automobiles and electric cars, in the Mercedes museum in Stuttgart, and showing my boys pictures of people with pitchforks chasing ICE powered cars out of town because they thought they were possessed. Turns out they weren't that far from the truth.

Question is are EVs going to have the same effect? Either way? We are still transforming nature to get it to do what we want, but is there a better less resource intensive wayto do what we need to do? I know of one or two.

The other dilemma we have is what are we going to make roads out if instead of the waste products of fossil fuel production when we transition to 100% EV?

Elon?

Roads?! Where we are going.. We don't need roads.

 

[Diehard]

Will you just be quiet?!?!?!?! The last thing we want is Elon hearing how much more we'd be willing to pay. Shees.

I was just thinking out loud trying to figure out if I fell in love for CT because of what it was or because it was a good deal.

 

[Ogre]

I wonder if Elon raised the price of each trim by $20K, would our opinions of CT be exactly the same?

One of the most impressive things about the Cybertruck is value. You might as well ask if the original VW bug would have been as interesting if the price had been $3k more.

If Tesla had launched a truck with a base price of $59,000, I would expect something significantly different.

 

[Diehard]

I remeber wondering the halls of the inventor of automobiles and electric cars, in the Mercedes museum in Stuttgart, and showing my boys pictures of people with pitchforks chasing ICE powered cars out of town because they thought they were possessed. Turns out they weren't that far from the truth.

Question is are EVs going to have the same effect? Either way? We are still transforming nature to get it to do what we want, but is there a better less resource intensive wayto do what we need to do? I know of one or two.

The other dilemma we have is what are we going to make roads out if instead of the waste products of fossil fuel production when we transition to 100% EV?

Elon?

we need to do the first principal thinking in larger scale. We are stuck in a system that promotes certain type of behavior. Our actions become habits and our goals become short sighted. We want Z but we think we need Y to get Z and we need X …….so we end up at A chasing B all our lives forgetting all about Z. It takes so little to be happy but we always chase happiness the hard way just because everyone we know is selling happiness that way.

It is almost 2 AM here. I am sure if I wrote this during the day it would have make a lot more sense and it would have been much more relevant. Better quit while I am ahead.

 

[Ogre]

Think about all the things Tesla has done to bring the cost of the Cybertruck down.

Now imagine if they applied that to a Kei truck?

Then we could have a true mini truck for $20,000.

Similarly, imagine if they made a a 4 door sedan in this same style.

I can't help but think both would be super popular. Particularly if they had a 300 mile range.

 

[JBee]

Exactly. The primary driver is that we only do what we can afford to do, and so we need to chase things that make money as a priority, but not necessarily what we need or want. This is a result of a corrupted and outdated value system that perpetuates the idea of "worth = $" throughout all systems, from social to technical to biological systems. We need a unified and a more encompassing approach to resource management based on living in a finite world with real physical constraints and then how we prioritize necessity. Not greed, entitlement or short term pleasure.

 

[Diehard]

Think about all the things Tesla has done to bring the cost of the Cybertruck down.

Now imagine if they applied that to a Kei truck?

Then we could have a true mini truck for $20,000.

Similarly, imagine if they made a a 4 door sedan in this same style.

I can't help but think both would be super popular. Particularly if they had a 300 mile range.

My wife would go bananas over this. She wants visibility, manageable size, efficiency, ride height. The beauty of it is that if you do happen to have a head on collision with a CT, you won’t have to worry about ending up in a wheelchair. It is well worth the risk. Especially in a setting I see in the background. I enjoy riding my wife’s scooter with 40 mph max speed a lot more than my own motorcycle. There is something about low power and low speed that let you appreciate the speed you do have and the world around you more.

 

[Throwcomputer]

My wife would go bananas over this. She wants visibility, manageable size, efficiency, ride height. The beauty of it is that if you do happen to have a head on collision with a CT, you won’t have to worry about ending up in a wheelchair. It is well worth the risk. Especially in a setting I see in the background. I enjoy riding my wife’s scooter with 40 mph max speed a lot more than my own motorcycle. There is something about low power and low speed that let you appreciate the speed you do have and the world around you more.

Here you go.. way classier ride.

 

[HaulingAss]

Here you go.. way classier ride.

And this small, lightweight minimalism is why motorists laughed EV's right out of the market in the 1980's-2010. It was not until Elon Musk showed the world that EV's did not have to be glorified golf carts that the motoring public got really interested.

In a capitalistic system, the quickest change is enabled, not by convincing someone they want something smaller, cheaper and slower, but by making a superior product, more power, more acceleration, better handling, better safety, than what they are accustomed to. The trick is to remove mental barriers to the change you are trying to effect - it doesn't matter if the mental barriers are based on real needs because we live in a free society where people buy what they WANT, not what they NEED.

Elon gets this which is why he runs the worlds first truly successful EV auto company (and the first successful new American car company in a century). Tesla did not build the reputation that EV's have today by selling smaller, lighter, glorified golf carts! I'm sure some people want a tiny truck but tiny trucks have never been big sellers in Tesla's home market and demand has been trending AWAY from small trucks. When you are disrupting an industry that has been so entrenched for well over a century you don't have the luxury of telling your customers what they SHOULD be driving. That's not how success works, you need to go for the jugular, the center of the market where all the sales happen.

 

[Throwcomputer]

That piaggio ape was not built to meet 2020 usa vehicle needs or styles. It was built post war Europe for cheap transportation and home farm utility needs so that Europe could get back to life and out of ruins. It served it's purpose very well, and with impeccable style to boot. Similarly to what the CT will do today.

I posted it in response to another post showing a similar mini truck from the 80s. My point was that if you are looking for something like that original image posted, then there are more stylish vintage options.

In no way was i implying that modern cars or evs should be heading in that direction. Just so happens the forum removes the quoted posts original quoted posts image attachment so you get it out of context.

 

[Ogre]

And this small, lightweight minimalism is why motorists laughed EV's right out of the market in the 1980's-2010. It was not until Elon Musk showed the world that EV's did not have to be glorified golf carts that the motoring public got really interested.

I don't think Tesla would ever launch a glorified golf cart. Musk has said outright that "Tesla doesn't make slow cars". He also puts a huge emphasis on safety.

But what Tesla could do is make something a *lot* smaller than the Cybertruck that is still safe, fast, and much more efficient and affordable than the Cybertruck. This is a necessity for overseas and IMO would be quite popular here in the US.

The Tesla answer to the Maverick.

 

[tmeyer3]

I don't think Tesla would ever launch a glorified golf cart. Musk has said outright that "Tesla doesn't make slow cars". He also puts a huge emphasis on safety.

But what Tesla could do is make something a *lot* smaller than the Cybertruck that is still safe, fast, and much more efficient and affordable than the Cybertruck. This is a necessity for overseas and IMO would be quite popular here in the US.

The Tesla answer to the Maverick.

You even know Elon? haha

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