Epic Fail! - Cyberbeast - Tires shot at 6251 miles!!!

[santoshm]

Please keep us posted, I agree with the post above me.

I have a service appointment on 10/1... Even now I think if it rains these tires are a serious hydroplaning risk so I have new tires on order. AT which are S rated with 50K treadwear warranty and I have to put those on. I will provide the old tires to TESLA and see what they say. I am not optimistic at this point as they can easily blow me off with "No warranty on Tires; even if they were defective.. tough luck"

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[santoshm]

OP, I’m so glad you posted and that I am not the only one! I too have a Beast, which was delivered on May 9th. I only have 2,800 miles, about half are highway miles, and the other half commuting to work city miles. I don’t off-road, and do not take fast turns/corners, nor do I rip the acceleration. In fact most of my driving has been in Comfort mode, then occasionally Standard, and about a handful of times in Beast for minutes.

A few weeks ago I started noticing that my front tires were showing lots of wear. I was so surprised that at 2,500 miles (at the time) the front tires looked worn and looked like a tire that was driven 25,000 + miles. At this rate I’m predicting I’ll need new tires under 10k miles, essentially every year. This is totally unacceptable and ridiculous. I believe this should be viewed as a defect by Tesla and replaced.

I’ve had Porsches, BMW’s Mustang GTs, other trucks, and I’ve used racing tires, and off road tires and everything in between. But I have never seen tires get worn as fast for NO reason (no hard cornering, no burn outs, etc) as this CT Beast tire.

There is definitely something wrong. At this rate I won’t be able to take this thing off road as I had planned in the spring, without buying new tires. Less than 3k miles, and I’m already occupying space in my brain on “can I make it till spring? Can I make it through winter snow? “. This is nuts!

Please let us know if you get resolution.

Thank you. It just seems like you have to be a TESLA fanboy to post here. I absolutely love by CB. I also love my Mercedes AMG and BMW M cars. I just feel that when you plonk down $130K (including taxes title) on a vehicle, it has to be delivered with tires that last way longer than this. My service app is 10/1. Could not get sooner one, so now I am stuck with having to replace with new tire at my own cost and hope TESLA will give me 4 x new tires to put on for later. Not very optimistic BUT if there are enough such posts about CBs that were fitted with tires that were a certain manufacturing batch... maybe we can establish a defective batch issue.

 

[Firepower2010]

Another option is to call Goodyear tire directly about this situation, you might get some answers there, just a thought. I've worked with other tire mfgs when my tires just didn't meet the warranty, I am really good at maintaining tire pressures, and maintenance records, they were helpful in getting resolution.

 

[santoshm]

Tagging OP @santoshm to respond!

@DRKTruck - thanks for sharing your experience. That’s insane. I’m glad I decided to switch to AWD from Beast. I don’t know whether the extra torque in Beast is causing additional stress on tires. Several AWD owners have reported normal wear and tear. It could also be a bad batch of tires. Hard to say, but it’s definitely a very accelerated deterioration! If you drive aggressively, you definitely wear them soon, but since your driving was moderate, this is very unusual.

I have a service appointment on 10/1... Even now I think if it rains these tires are a serious hydroplaning risk so I have new tires on order. AT which are S rated with 50K treadwear warranty and I have to put those on. I will provide the old tires to TESLA and see what they say. I am not optimistic at this point as they can easily blow me off with "No warranty on Tires; even if they were defective.. tough luck"

 

[santoshm]

I would inquire about the 50,000 mile warranty from Goodyear. Mine on an AWD after 22,000 miles are wearing just fine. ??‍

No tread warranty on any OEM tires AND even if you go to buy these new as as replacement from say discount tire... they do not come with any tread life guarantee. What does that tell you about what GY thinks of these?

 

[santoshm]

Agreed, OP either got a bad batch of rubber with the CB or OP is driving way harder than I am in my AWD CT. My tires look mostly fine after just crossing 15k miles of winter/summer mix of city/highway/off-roading and included towing my 5000lb camper with a full vault for ~1000 miles. I've rotated once at 9k, about to rotate again but they've been wearing evenly at all four corners despite the extra loads. I've done a fair bit of full-throttle stoplights/on-ramps, drifted the truck in snow/ice, driven hard through the twisties a lot, off-roading in rooty/rocky eastern terrain and more recently rock-crawling and trophy-truck-style driving (the Offroad Modes are Badass in this truck!) in the desert southwest, but also a lot of Chill mode around the City and long highway drive between UT-CA-VT this year. My rubber looks nothing like the chipping and edge-wear on the blocks that OP's tires show (see pics of mine).
And btw, my tires are the H-rated rubber, VIN 3XXX.
So, either OP'll need to come clean on beating the crap out of his tires, or convince Goodyear to take a hard look at the production batch OP's tires were in, for a flaw in production for the batch run. Good luck!

I'm sticking to my story of have not been off roaded and have not been driven the crap out of. Your tires are wearing very nicely. That is what I would have expected. Nice even wear not chunks coming off. Convincing two large corporations that they put bad tires on a truck will only be possible if more CB owners come forward with similar experiences. One person already is posting of similar experience as mine. I can easily afford a new set, but I am not going down without a fight. Service appt on 10/1.

 

[santoshm]

Another option is to call Goodyear tire directly about this situation, you might get some answers there, just a thought. I've worked with other tire mfgs when my tires just didn't meet the warranty, I am really good at maintaining tire pressures, and maintenance records, they were helpful in getting resolution.

No warranty offered by GY on OEM and replacement tires.

 

[BoiseCT]

See now that is very interesting. I am 100% sure that the truck has never been off road and that's why I think this is a tire defect. What month was your CB delivered? Mine was June 25th.

Early June.

 

[santoshm]

OP have you ever owned a large SUV or truck before? You may not feel like you a driving your CT hard but your tires are clearly showing signs of heavy wear due to slippage. Whether that is occurring due to heavy acceleration, braking, or cornering loads doesn't matter too much in this scenario. The CT is deceptively well handling and the even though it may not feel like you are pushing it hard you are always moving close to 7,000lbs through corners and while accelerating braking. The difference between AWD and Beast in this case is likely minimal as evidenced by both front and rear tires showing similar scrubbing wear.

in short, you are driving your truck much harder than you realize and will experience similar wear on any tire. Also; I’m not sure where you found that H rated tires are softer compound than S rated. That’s a gross generalization that isn’t necessarily true across the board. The biggest concern for speed rating isn’t tire compound but construction of the sidewalls and the steel and synthetic bands that ensure the tire maintains its shape at higher speed as the forces go up exponentially with speed.

Source Les Schwab Tires
" Tires with higher speed ratings offer handling benefits, but there are tradeoffs. Since they’re usually made with softer rubber compounds and stiffer construction, they offer better cornering, stopping power and steering response. However, there can be less ride comfort, lower performance in cold conditions, and shorter tread life. "
https://www.lesschwab.com/article/tires/tire-speed-rating-and-why-it-matters.html

 

[ddmitch1]

At 6251 miles the H speed rated tire on the Cyberbeast is down to 5/32 and 4/32 with irregular degradation.

Got my Cyberbeast on June 25th. Truck has always been driven ONLY on streets and highways. Never taken off road. Never hit top speed of 132 mph. Yes did experience the beast mode and 0 to 60 in 2.6 a few times.
Yesterday I was going to go to get tires rotated as recommened in the manual at 6250. Truck is a t 6251 miles AND.... I noticed tread is low.

I measured it. 5/32 on rears and 4/32 on fronts. WOW! That's insane!

I did some research and the H speed rated tire has a sticker rubber. But for it to last just 6K to 7K miles on the Cybebeast has to be a manufacturing defect. These tires are specially made for the Cybebeast so for them to be this bad is unforgivable. I have an appointment on Oct 1st to discuss this with TESLA.

Check out the photos at 6251 miles.

I suspect differentials are not allowing the tires rotate like they should on corners. With separate motors driving each wheel, maybe the tires are wearing like you have the wheels locked like a Jeep in low range? Whatever happened to the 60,000 mile tires Goodyear use to sell?

 

[vinsk]

OP, I’m so glad you posted and that I am not the only one! I too have a Beast, which was delivered on May 9th. I only have 2,800 miles, about half are highway miles, and the other half commuting to work city miles. I don’t off-road, and do not take fast turns/corners, nor do I rip the acceleration. In fact most of my driving has been in Comfort mode, then occasionally Standard, and about a handful of times in Beast for minutes.

A few weeks ago I started noticing that my front tires were showing lots of wear. I was so surprised that at 2,500 miles (at the time) the front tires looked worn and looked like a tire that was driven 25,000 + miles. At this rate I’m predicting I’ll need new tires under 10k miles, essentially every year. This is totally unacceptable and ridiculous. I believe this should be viewed as a defect by Tesla and replaced.

I’ve had Porsches, BMW’s Mustang GTs, other trucks, and I’ve used racing tires, and off road tires and everything in between. But I have never seen tires get worn as fast for NO reason (no hard cornering, no burn outs, etc) as this CT Beast tire.

There is definitely something wrong. At this rate I won’t be able to take this thing off road as I had planned in the spring, without buying new tires. Less than 3k miles, and I’m already occupying space in my brain on “can I make it till spring? Can I make it through winter snow? “. This is nuts!

Please let us know if you get resolution.

My Porsche 911 4S needs tire replacement every 10K miles ( rear ones), same thing with my BMW M5 competition. I drive them the way they’re supposed to be driven. I drive the CT AWD like any other vehicle. The only thing I focus on is one pedal driving but sometimes braking is inevitable. I always like to test the corners to see how CT is handling, not all the time though. Disciplined driving kicks in for long trips only. My tires are looking great so far at 6700 miles.

In yours and OP case, it could be a manufacturing defect but unless more people come up with this issue, Tesla will not entertain this!

 

[Crissa]

I'm sticking to my story of have not been off roaded and have not been driven the crap out of. Your tires are wearing very nicely. That is what I would have expected. Nice even wear not chunks coming off. Convincing two large corporations that they put bad tires on a truck will only be possible if more CB owners come forward with similar experiences. One person already is posting of similar experience as mine. I can easily afford a new set, but I am not going down without a fight. Service appt on 10/1.

Well, I don't disbelieve you.

But those tires say they've been exposed to too much oxidization and rough temperature cycles and then sharp surfaces.

Like, I could make them look like that by running through cryogenic fluids, alkali crystals, or parking on a mirror...

But the easiest would be lots of high speed gravel, hard cornering, or hot starts on cold tires.

They definitely look gnarly. If you have the driving logs to prove it, I'd ask them to check the truck's computer.

-Crissa

 

[santoshm]

Well, I don't disbelieve you.

But those tires say they've been exposed to too much oxidization and rough temperature cycles and then sharp surfaces.

Like, I could make them look like that by running through cryogenic fluids, alkali crystals, or parking on a mirror...

But the easiest would be lots of high speed gravel, hard cornering, or hot starts on cold tires.

They definitely look gnarly. If you have the driving logs to prove it, I'd ask them to check the truck's computer.

-Crissa

I got nothing to lose, let them check all the logs they want and they should be able to confirm what I am stating. The only question remains; will they come clean or just give me the run around... something like, well there is a reason we don't warranty tires; we don't control the product. We shall see.

 

[bmek]

Here is some data for you (and some opinions).

I have 4 Tesla vehicles at the moment and have had 3 others for a total of 7.

Tires are a "consumable" on Teslas especially if you only drive with the accelerator and use heavy regen. Brakes last forever.

After reading this post, I went to my local tire shop today and asked the owner about the tires on my CyberBeast.

I took delivery on March 25 and have 6,946 miles.

The tread depth on the front is 10 and the back is 9. I do my best to keep my cold tire pressure at 50 psi.

I like acceleration and tend to put my foot into it on freeway on-ramps and hit 3 digits before chilling to 75ish.

On July 2, I went on a 17 day road trip to Canada with my wife, son and daughter. From leaving the driveway to returning, it was 4,354 miles.

During the trip, we drove to the Arctic/Atlantic continental divide in Alberta past Cadomin, Alberta. This gave us some serious high speed off road driving where we tested Baja mode. Two days later we did more gravel roads east of Edmonton. It was super dusty.

Heading south from Alberta, with only my wife and I, we crossed the border and drove through Montana, Idaho and Nevada, before going through Lake Tahoe on our way home.

The speed limit in Montana, Idaho and Nevada is 80 mph and I had the cruise set at 90 because it wouldn't go higher. We tested the max speed twice and could only get 114 as it was limited at that time.

The tire shop rotated our tires at 6,270 miles for $40. It was their first Cybertruck.

The tire shop owner explained Uniform Tire Quality Grading and then I read the extensive information in the Cybertruck owners manual. I encourage everyone to do so.

Again, my tread depth is 10 at the front and 9 at the back. And you have a good overview of my driving to date, including acceleration, freeway driving and gravel roads.

YMMV

 

[cardad]

Please don’t tell me we need to change CT tires every 7K miles with just normal city and highway driving! All the savings on ICE maintenance will go in just replacing the tires. My BMW flat tires last for at least 30K and Porsche lasted for 40K!

Could other CT owners please share their data points for CT? I know it varies a lot based on the driver and driving mode, but it’ll be good to get an approximate ballpark on the longevity of CT tires. I hope it’s better than 7K miles!!

You definitely need to rotate sooner with EVs especially if you are not a smooth driver (late brake + hard accel) and this is one of the heaviest most powerful vehicles. IME Rivian is much worse as your fronts get destroyed even more quickly. CT is more rear biased and does not have a FWD mode. Rotating every 6k is not a bad idea but I waited until 9 or 10 and it was alright. Very important to “over” inflate especially if you drive through varying elevation/temps and ensure even inflation.

BTW Discount Tire rotates for free if you have purchased from them at any time.

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