FSD is supposed to be: "this is the weekend"?

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[Crissa]

Geez, you actually have to wait for injuries?

People here reported nearly being rear ended.

I myself would have had someone following me close.

The point is that it's not normal human braking unless it's an emergency.

What's wrong with you?

What's wrong is that humans need to stop that fast and sometimes do so unpredictably to those following.

It's still the fault of the following vehicle. It's none of my concern when I'm in a car, let alone a Tesla. I mitigate it as much as I can riding my motorcycle, and I flash my brakes as early as I can when driving.

But so does FSD.

And all TACC systems have phantom braking. Especially ones that are radar based. ...Or they're less good.

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

Geez, you actually have to wait for injuries?

People here reported nearly being rear ended.

I myself would have had someone following me close.

The point is that it's not normal human braking unless it's an emergency.

What's wrong with you?

What's right with me, is I'm not falling for all the exaggerated hype about the dangers of phantom braking. If it were as dangerous as some people pretend, it would show up in the accident statistics and FSD would be banned by regulators. I've been using it for 5 years and phantom braking was not a safety issue, FSD has a 360 degree field of view, it knows how far the car behind is. Even when there is no car following, the phantom braking events I used to experience were of very short duration, not long enough for a collision, even if there was a car following.

I can see you would like to keep the myth alive, that phantom braking is endangering people's lives, and I'm not sure why. From a safety perspective, it's a non-issue.

 

[rizvend]

Lastest FSD Version

Drats, except for the lucky few, this is what we already paid for and missing!

Another disappointment.

There is a spy camera.

We still cannot take a nap on the driver's side while it's running.

And more importantly, cannot move to thr back and wstch Netflix and leave the driver's seat empty while it's tsking us to our girlfriend in Oregon.

Just switch seats with the kids for a change and tape their hands to the steering wheel! Let them earn their keep! ?

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

So you heard it people from thr all knowing @HaulingAss , those who posted here the numerous incidents of ghost braking, it's a myth as you are desd yet.

You nearly hit you head on the steering wheel, that's nothing. Nearly rear-ended with another driver thinking you're an incompetent idiot, that's also nothing. Getting my wife scared shitless of it and would not even try driving my Cybertruck, I agree, I'm lucky and just hit the jackpot. Or, mix, she won't let me cash in her car.

Actually, despite his suspicion that I'm a hater, I wish Tesla will solve those in FSD. Some reported the new version is over cautious which to me is a plus. Let those behind me honk as much as they want. That's by a mile better than running over a pedestrian.

 

[HaulingAss]

So you heard it people from thr all knowing @HaulingAss , those eho posted here the numerous incidents of ghost braking, it's a myth as you are desd yet.

You nearly hit you head on the steering wheel, that's nothing. Nearly rear-ended with another driver thinking you're an incompetent idiot, that's also nothing. Getting my wife scared shitless of it and would not even try driving my Cybertruck, I agree, I'm lucky and just hit the jackpot. Or, mix, she won't let me cash in her car.

Actually, despite his suspicion that I'm a hater, I wish Tesla will solve those in FSD. Some reported the new version is over cautious which to me is a plus. Let those behind me honk as much as they want. That's by a mile better than running over a pedestrian.

More false and negative rhetoric.

I didn't say phantom braking was a myth, I said the narrative that it was so dangerous was a myth. If it were dangerous, after billions of FSD miles travelled, there would be some accidents, injuries and deaths resulting from it. Simple statistics. It's more dangerous to cross the street.

Having phantom braking is safer than the alternative, a system that is too hesitant to brake when it might need to.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

There goes again!

Ok, I'll change the narrative as it's hurting the feelings of the chairman of the Elon Fan Boiz.

This one is not yet FSD yet and I hope they solve it with their actual release and upload

This happened yesterday, so no one can accuse me of falsehood or mythology.

Cybertruck is set on auto-pilot, again, a glorified reactive cruise control, so I don't have high expectations.

The screen of the Cybertruck was showing several cars in front on full stop. So no excuse there. But the Cybertruck as my setting and speedometer show are on speed limit of 50 mph.

This I can't understand when I'm 6 cars away that it was still on full speed and just made a hard braking when I was about 3-car length away.

A human will slow down seeing those cars on full stop on that red traffic light.

 

[agordon117]

Man I just cant' get onboard with the comments here.

I have used half a dozen cars with radar cruise. The one I'm most familiar with is my Wrangler. Never had phantom braking coming around a semi, going under an overpass, etc. I'm sure that *some* radar cruise implementations in *some* vehicles have issues, but definitely not *all*.

When my model Y was new, and I still had access to radar autopilot, I may have had an issue with phantom braking one time in that whole year.

When it switched to vision (I have FSD), it has always been worse. Not one version of FSD has solved it. V12.3 seems to have mitigated the issue as far as I can tell, but instead of randomly slamming on the brakes, it instead drives 10mph under the speed limit unless I am continuously holding my foot on the gas. Doing this will prevent the vehicle from hitting the brakes also, so how could anyone driving the speed limit on 12.3 even know if phantom braking still exists? No matter what I set my cruise speed limit to, it will not drive at a reasonable speed on any road, in any condition, without me manually using the accelerator.

The biggest mistake tesla made in this whole process was removing radar too soon. Radar autopilot was so much better than anything I've experienced with FSD so far. I'm confident that vision is probably the way forward, but they shouldn't take away radar autopilot until FSD is significantly better than it is now.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

@HaulingAss

Care to answer and dispute @agordon117's myth and imaginings? ?

 

[HaulingAss]

@HaulingAss

Care to answer and dispute @agordon117's myth and imaginings? ?

Nope, he's not the one claiming phantom braking is so dangerous, you are. The facts don't support your narrative.

You need to let go of this.

 

[Gigahorse]

Is the V12 autopark good enough to use vs parking yourself?
If it is it would be an asset with the CT with the reduced visibility and being a large vehicle. But that requires the autopark to be as good if not better than a competent parking human.

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

Nope, he's not the one claiming phantom braking is so dangerous, you are. The facts don't support your narrative.

You need to let go of this.

You first!

Your many posts here says you can't. This is the version of THE LIFE for you, lol. ?

 

[Cincycyber]

The FS scam might keep me from buying a CT even after it is over. If you charge people for something, it should be illegal not to provide it at time of payment. It is certainly scummy. The Powershare mess only aggravates the issue. Amazed there haven't been lawsuits.

Chill man. It'll come. Remember they are still ramping and only Foundation series are being released. I'd rather they wait and release a better product. Won't be long. Have faith my friend.

 

[Art138]

Chill man. It'll come. Remember they are still ramping and only Foundation series are being released. I'd rather they wait and release a better product. Won't be long. Have faith my friend.

Hmmmm, that’s an April post you are responding to.

 

[Cincycyber]

Hmmmm, that’s an April post you are responding to.

D'Oh!!!

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