Gas prices

[egandalf]

The one person that gave you guff, was the guff because he thinks a supplier is getting paid too much if supplier can buy expensive vehicle or was the guff because your vehicle was an EV not ICE?

I'm wondering the same thing. The F350 starting price is around 40k with no upgrades or options. The fuel saving speak for themselves (and loudly). I think just sharing one graph would shut up any cost arguments. That car is paying for itself big time!

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[BillyGee]

The one person that gave you guff, was the guff because he thinks a supplier is getting paid too much if supplier can buy expensive vehicle or was the guff because your vehicle was an EV not ICE?

I'm wondering the same thing. The F350 starting price is around 40k with no upgrades or options. The fuel saving speak for themselves (and loudly). I think just sharing one graph would shut up any cost arguments. That car is paying for itself big time!

He was a typical dude bro. First thing he said was "a technician in a Tesla? This won't be cheap." And then spent the entire time bragging about buying his f150 right before the pandemic and how an EV just can't cut it for towing or 'real work'.

Weirdest thing was that the entire stop was under warranty. He didn't even say thank you and just opened the gate to let me out.

But he was the only one, everyone else has geeked out over the car, especially with gas prices.

 

[Sirfun]

He was a typical dude bro. First thing he said was "a technician in a Tesla? This won't be cheap." And then spent the entire time bragging about buying his f150 right before the pandemic and how an EV just can't cut it for towing or 'real work'.

Weirdest thing was that the entire stop was under warranty. He didn't even say thank you and just opened the gate to let me out.

But he was the only one, everyone else has geeked out over the car, especially with gas prices.

Ha, That dude took it personally. He thought you were a brother, when you drove a Ford F350. Then you showed up in a Tesla. How could you do that. That ain't right man.

You went to the dark side!!!!

 

[Crissa]

Oil is only a very small part of electricity generation. Not just directly - burning oil - but indirectly via maintenance and manufacturer.

But it's all the parts of bringing gasoline to supply a car.

-Crissa

 

[John K]

Has anyone recommended using time crystals?

 

[Ogre]

Fossil Fuel vs. Electric
It has no or very little to do with gas prices. If gas price is increased, then the eclectic price will increase. Maybe not as fast but price for power will be the same in a given amount of time.

This is silly. Of course it matters and a simple example shows this.

If you spend 200/ month on gas, and gas prices double, you are now spending $600. A $200 increase.

An EV owner would pay 1/4 - 1/2 or about $100 (depending on home charging versus Supercharger mix), double use and you are spending $200/ month, a $100 increase.

Obviously depends on how much you use and what the gas price increase is, but in every single case the gas price increase is higher in terms of dollars.

And that’s assuming we buy into your model where power prices move in lockstep with oil prices. I can assure you power coming out of the Bonneville dam which is where my electricity comes from primarily does not increase with gas prices.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

I don’t see the logic in making a compact vehicle into a electric vehicle. Once you reach 30 MPG, you really are not using much fuel. After you include the weight of the battery for the compact car, your fuel consumption is worst than a ICE car of the same size as measured for BTU. The only real benefit of electric cars is for the environment reasons.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

The money that you will save by owning a electric vehicle is not being subject to the fuel tax at the gasoline pump. But, the weight of the battery will more than offset the savings at the pump. I might cancel the Cybertruck and just own a hybrid power train from Toyota. That will spare me from driving around a heavy battery pack on the Cybertruck. A hybrid has a smaller battery and the benefits of a electric vehicle. I’m still betting on the future of hydrogen.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

The optimum electric vehicle has a smaller battery to save on weight and a fast charging battery to keep you on the move. Frankly, who needs a 500 mile range battery? 99% of the average use of a BEV is less than 100 miles. Why haul around the extra 400 miles in battery range just for psychological reasons of range anxiety?

 

[BillyGee]

Oil is only a very small part of electricity generation. Not just directly - burning oil - but indirectly via maintenance and manufacturer.

But it's all the parts of bringing gasoline to supply a car.

-Crissa

Don't forget, there are plenty of companies out there to help you subsidize getting a solar array on your roof too. Battery backup as well.

Pm me if you need a referral.

 

[Cybertruck Hawaii]

The real reason why I want a BEV is for the “dog A/C mode”. Makes a lot more sense than leaving an ICE engine running unattended at the mall.

 

[Crissa]

I don’t see the logic in making a compact vehicle into a electric vehicle. Once you reach 30 MPG, you really are not using much fuel. After you include the weight of the battery for the compact car, your fuel consumption is worst than a ICE car of the same size as measured for BTU. The only real benefit of electric cars is for the environment reasons.

A compact vehicle uses less energy to move, and hence, is easier to make into an electric vehicle. And then it comes with all the advantages of an electric vehicle. Less parts, easier maintenance, fuel at home, cheaper total cost of ownership, cheaper fuel...

Not even an EV Hummer gets as low energy efficiency as a 30mpg vehicle. Let alone carbon emissions or particulate pollution.

-Crissa

 

[firsttruck]

A compact vehicle uses less energy to move, and hence, is easier to make into an electric vehicle. And then it comes with all the advantages of an electric vehicle. Less parts, easier maintenance, fuel at home, cheaper total cost of ownership, cheaper fuel...

Not even an EV Hummer gets as low energy efficiency as a 30mpg vehicle. Let alone carbon emissions or particulate pollution.

-Crissa

Yup, even at highway speeds, Hummer EV is 43 MPGe.

2022 GMC Hummer EV EPA Documents Reveal MPGe, Weight, Other Details GMC filed a report to the EPA, revealing crucial specs for its new electric pickup, including a 329-mile range, 47 MPGe combined efficiency, and 9063-pound curb weight.
By Connor Hoffman and Dave VanderWerp
Feb 15, 2022
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a39049358/2022-gmc-hummer-ev-pickup-epa-specs/

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Hummer H2 is a large SUV that was marketed by Hummer and built in the AM General facility under contract from General Motors from 2002 to 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer_H2

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General Motors is not required to provide official fuel economy ratings for the H2 due to the vehicle's heavy gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR). Prior to 2011, the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) exempted vehicles with a GVWR over 8,500 lb (3,900 kg) from fuel economy standards and testing.

Observation by Motortrend; 10 mpg‑US (24 L/100 km; 12 mpg‑imp) / 4.3 km/l

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[Ogre]

If efficiency is the only goal have I got the car for you!

Aptera will be even more efficient and have more creature comforts but the Arcimoto is for sale now and cheaper.

It’s a tandem 2 seater, it would be more tempting if I could figure out how to attach a bike rack to it.

 

[Crissa]

Get an open back Arcimoto and a liftback rack but mount the bikes in line with the Arcimoto with tires in the cage and then down over where the license plate is, using the rack to have something to hold their weight until they're strapped down.

This could be updated with thin tubing welded later. There's alot of small-operator fabs in Eugene.

-Crissa

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