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For example which one of these two vehicles weighs more?
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Or
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Guess which one uses less fuel? Which one costs less?
Why do you think I own the later and not the former?
Physics favours no opinion.
At mostly steady speed (65-75mph), no stops (highway only), highway grade surface ( smooth asphalt/concrete), and mostly level ground ( only minor elevation change and offsetting in both direction), low wind, then even significant extra weight difference will not overcome what might be huge possible aerodynamic drag difference.

Did Ford Expedition have 4wD?

Did Ford Transit have 4wD?

Did Ford Expedition have twin turbo V6?

Did Ford Transit have twin turbo V6?

The 2020 Ford Transit has much lower ground clearance (5.6") vs 2020 Ford Expedition (9.8"). Transit might have much less under-body drag.
The 2020 Ford Transit has much narrower and smaller diameter tires (235/65R16) vs 2020 Ford Expedition (P275/65R18 and common option of 20" wheel).
Ford Expedition probably has much larger wheel well areas due to much longer suspension travel and larger range of tire diameters.

With Teslas models, changing to larger tires have shorter range.

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Aerodynamic Analysis on under Body Drag and Vehicle Performance of Active Front Spoiler for High CG Vehicles
Out of the total drag, the under-body drag contributes about 40-50% by the parts like wheel arch, wheel housing, and the wheels. This further increases in the case of vehicles with higher CG.
SAE International
2019-10-11
https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2019-28-0025/
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The Transit hood starts lower, slopes up more quickly so that the hood to windshield joint is smoother. The front of the Expedition is more like two offset bricks. The Transit might have larger front facing area but the less vertical angle of the front may result in lower cD.

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65+ differences that could in total account for why larger heavier vehicle Ford Transit van might get better highway mileage than slightly smaller lighter Ford Expedition.

65+ vehicle mods for better fuel economy ...
https://ecomodder.com/forum/fuel-economy-mpg-modifications.php

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Car Center of Mass Calculator
Created by Dominik Czernia, PhD candidate
Reviewed by Bogna Szyk
Last updated: May 28, 2020
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/car-mass-center

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Distance from Center of Gravity to Ground.
https://brakepower.com/center-of-gravity-calculator.htm

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Ford Transit CoG (center-of-gravity) calculation chart

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Ford Pickup Trucks
Ford Pickup Truck Consumer Information Sheet in glovebox of truck has Option weights and center-of-gravity information.

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Car Center of Mass Calculator
Created by Dominik Czernia, PhD candidate
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Last updated: May 28, 2020
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/car-mass-center

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Distance from Center of Gravity to Ground.
https://brakepower.com/center-of-gravity-calculator.htm

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Ford Transit CoG (center-of-gravity) calculation chart

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Ford Pickup Trucks
Ford Pickup Truck Consumer Information Sheet in glovebox of truck has Option weights and center-of-gravity information.

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Not sure what you are trying to say but the vehicle I depicted was not a Ford Transit its a VW Crafter.
 

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Not sure what you are trying to say but the vehicle I depicted was not a Ford Transit its a VW Crafter.

I started writing my post very early in the morning on Sunday so that was before you added more info regarding the model of van. The original image did not show logo and you were making comparision to Ford SUV. Originally thought the van in the picture was a Ford van too.

The basis of my reply is still applicable.

The aerodynamics of the vehicle can be alot more important to mileage than weight and volume.
 


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Generally speaking, efficiency is inversely-proportional to size and weight.

However, you must also factor in utilization. A Boeing 747 is humongous, but is very efficient per-person when fully loaded.
 
 








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