Hopefully CT has lots of software modes - vs. the current tesla's that have adjustable functionality but not pre configured ride modes

[SentinelOne]

Rivian just added "snow" mode - that would be useful for my M3 here in Colorado. I ended up creating a driver profile for "Snow Mode" that has chill, lower regeneration, etc - it works but it's not going to cut it for the CT - to me the CT should have a variety of diff pre defined modes to maximize all of it's bad ass capabilities...I'm assuming they will do so but also figured they'd have already done so for their current cars too - cant be that hard.

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[Ogre]

The only thing about “Modes” is it is very easy to forget you are in a mode and drive around in the wrong one. When I’m mountain biking, shocks often have Climbing and Descending toggles and I frequently end up going up or down in the wrong one. The difference is not so big and obvious that you can’t go down when in up mode, but it’s not great either.

One way around this is if it resets every time your start the truck, then your wrong-mode only lasts for one trip. It would be interesting if the cameras picked up on certain things. With mapping data and the visuals, maybe it could pick which mode you are in dynamically.

 

[SentinelOne]

I hear you, my daughter likes to leave my truck in 4x4 when the snow is gone...not good for drive train. But in the end you cant fix human mistakes and 99% of the time people get it right. If the modes are created well you should notice...eg ride height, throttle response, regain - should be obvious..and im not opposed to also adding an Auto Mode (like you kind of describe).

 

[Diehard]

I know nothing about mechanics and electronics of how these cars work but I don't see why you need snow mode? If the purpose is for you to avoid locking wheels and slipping, shouldn't that be standard safety feature that is active all the time? unless you are on a tow truck or some sort of funky drift mode for fun, vehicle should not be moving when the wheels are not turning. If that is happening, computer have to adjust, power, regen and braking to control traction on snow, mud, sand or any other surface. Modes should be for when you want it to slip.

Those of you who know what you are talking about, educate me if I am missing something here.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

The only thing about “Modes” is it is very easy to forget you are in a mode and drive around in the wrong one. When I’m mountain biking, shocks often have Climbing and Descending toggles and I frequently end up going up or down in the wrong one. The difference is not so big and obvious that you can’t go down when in up mode, but it’s not great either.

One way around this is if it resets every time your start the truck, then your wrong-mode only lasts for one trip. It would be interesting if the cameras picked up on certain things. With mapping data and the visuals, maybe it could pick which mode you are in dynamically.

I hope they do provide modes because I’d rather make the occasional mistake than having to remember how to set everything. The Hummer and Rivian have done a good job with modes from what I can tell in reviews.

 

[SentinelOne]

Modes are pretty common place - my wife's GLE AMG has a ton that adjust suspension, ride height, traction/slip, throttle, steering, exhaust flaps, etc....and you can tell the difference between them for their diff use cases (haven't tried trail / sand and prob never will)....car does reset to comfort but also flags if you want to go to previous driving mode upon startup...it works well

 

[SentinelOne]

I know nothing about mechanics and electronics of how these cars work but I don't see why you need snow mode? If the purpose is for you to avoid locking wheels and slipping, shouldn't that be standard safety feature that is active all the time? unless you are on a tow truck or some sort of funky drift mode for fun, vehicle should not be moving when the wheels are not turning. If that is happening, computer have to adjust, power, regen and braking to control traction on snow, mud, sand or any other surface. Modes should be for when you want it to slip.

Those of you who know what you are talking about, educate me if I am missing something here.

I get what you are saying but on my M3P it's pretty rear wheel biased on the power (at launch it powers rears first then front kicks in when rears slip - there may have been a subsequent software update I dont drive in the snow a lot)...so it's not the best in snow...that and I leave it on full power, sport steering, etc...none of which means the car won't adjust for snow, but giving it a chance to prep for a known condition is the point - optimize for what you are trying to do, but to your point also try to keep you alive regardless.

Another example, when you add air suspension - if you put in 4x4 mode to raise the vehicle, that's a bit better than hitting a rock and then having the car realize...aka you are prepping the car for the planned drive conditions before hand not making the computer adjust for things it cant predict until it's there (and even that is a tough challenge I think)

And on my car they do have a mode: track mode - it sets defaults + you can tweak to your preference...why not other modes. Eg camera's, enhanced cooling, etc that are in track mode are also prob valuable for other modes

 

[kbolt]

I know nothing about mechanics and electronics of how these cars work but I don't see why you need snow mode? If the purpose is for you to avoid locking wheels and slipping, shouldn't that be standard safety feature that is active all the time? unless you are on a tow truck or some sort of funky drift mode for fun, vehicle should not be moving when the wheels are not turning. If that is happening, computer have to adjust, power, regen and braking to control traction on snow, mud, sand or any other surface. Modes should be for when you want it to slip.

Those of you who know what you are talking about, educate me if I am missing something here.

I'm on the other side of the mountains from the OP (Utah) and I know a lot of people in the Facebook group have been sending out PSAs lately about turning off Regen breaking when it snows.

If you got a patch of ice you need to coast, not speed up or break. Unfortunately, if you have the seeing to high Regen it can cause you to spin out.

I've driven in the snow with full Regen and it wasn't a problem because the roads were plowed the day before, but I've seen videos of people doing a full 180 going down a canyon.

So you just have to know about that and turn it on. Or, the manufacturer can add a snow mode and hopefully people see that.

 

[kbolt]

I'm on the other side of the mountains from the OP (Utah) and I know a lot of people in the Facebook group have been sending out PSAs lately about turning off Regen breaking when it snows.

If you got a patch of ice you need to coast, not speed up or break. Unfortunately, if you have the seeing to high Regen it can cause you to spin out.

I've driven in the snow with full Regen and it wasn't a problem because the roads were plowed the day before, but I've seen videos of people doing a full 180 going down a canyon.

So you just have to know about that and turn it on. Or, the manufacturer can add a snow mode and hopefully people see that.

Having said that, I've never been a fan of pre-programed modes. It seems like a gimmick from car companies that couldn't find anything real to add a marketing ploy. I like having the ability to customize to my liking. That's not for everyone, I realize.

 

[Ogre]

I'm on the other side of the mountains from the OP (Utah) and I know a lot of people in the Facebook group have been sending out PSAs lately about turning off Regen breaking when it snows.

If you got a patch of ice you need to coast, not speed up or break. Unfortunately, if you have the seeing to high Regen it can cause you to spin out.

I've driven in the snow with full Regen and it wasn't a problem because the roads were plowed the day before, but I've seen videos of people doing a full 180 going down a canyon.

So you just have to know about that and turn it on. Or, the manufacturer can add a snow mode and hopefully people see that.

I’d prefer the car was consistent as possible when it comes to slowing. It is essentially braking and having weird inconsistencies in braking because you are in the wrong setting is annoying.

Just as a weird example, my Model Y has trailer mode. I would turn it on so I didn’t get alerts when my bike rack was on the car. Problem was I didn’t realize trailer mode also deactivated Autopilot completely. I almost called for a service appointment then I figured it out.

The truck should behave itself in snow regardless of settings because most people will likely never turn it on.

My car does have an off road mode sort of. I think it allows more slippage before applying traction control. I’m fine with that, since you are choosing to go off road it’s an obvious transition and sort of a tuner setting. Still works fine off road, just a little better when you turn it on. Likewise trailer mode. Though I do think it would make sense for trailer mode to turn on or off based on the presence of a trailer.

 

[SentinelOne]

Having said that, I've never been a fan of pre-programed modes. It seems like a gimmick from car companies that couldn't find anything real to add a marketing ploy. I like having the ability to customize to my liking. That's not for everyone, I realize.

oh, I want to be able to customize as well, just not to have too. aka I can use default track mode on my m3p but also adjust it to full rear wheel, less tc, etc...just dont want to have to every time..and there's several options in it that you cant otherwise adjust if not in track mode...and I want the capabilities to adj everything in the CT, given all the capabilities.

 

[Daddystired]

Rivian just added "snow" mode - that would be useful for my M3 here in Colorado. I ended up creating a driver profile for "Snow Mode" that has chill, lower regeneration, etc - it works but it's not going to cut it for the CT - to me the CT should have a variety of diff pre defined modes to maximize all of it's bad ass capabilities...I'm assuming they will do so but also figured they'd have already done so for their current cars too - cant be that hard.

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I hear the best part is no part.
sooooo. I hear you about modes. But the more “modes” one has. The more problems can end up happening. - suspension changes-ride height-abs re adjusting- etc.
let’s just get the truck outfirst And feel it out and go from there ?

 

[SentinelOne]

I hear the best part is no part.
sooooo. I hear you about modes. But the more “modes” one has. The more problems can end up happening. - suspension changes-ride height-abs re adjusting- etc.
let’s just get the truck outfirst And feel it out and go from there ?

no extra parts-just software...and they can improve over time with OTA updates like they always do...track mode didn't exist when I bought my car, then it did, no parts added...but I hear you on simplicity and starting with the core truck....if only Tesla had kept some developers from Twitter

 

[Diehard]

I'm on the other side of the mountains from the OP (Utah) and I know a lot of people in the Facebook group have been sending out PSAs lately about turning off Regen breaking when it snows.

If you got a patch of ice you need to coast, not speed up or break. Unfortunately, if you have the seeing to high Regen it can cause you to spin out.

I've driven in the snow with full Regen and it wasn't a problem because the roads were plowed the day before, but I've seen videos of people doing a full 180 going down a canyon.

So you just have to know about that and turn it on. Or, the manufacturer can add a snow mode and hopefully people see that.

These cars have sensors everywhere. They know when temps are bellow freezing and can adjust regen. They know which wheel has lost traction. And they can respond in milliseconds (may be not with height adjustments but almost anything else). Like a DSLR camera that has Aperture priority, Time priority, Manual and Automatic modes, they can have different level of automation. And to some extent the do (you can turn off traction). Of course as others have mentioned, I don't want to be stuck with the engineers wrong assumption with only one fully automatic mode. The question is if what we need the car to do in snow deserves it's own mode (needs human intervention) and can not be included in another existing mode for the sake of simplicity. Frankly the thought of Rivian weight on ice when I am going downhill on a road tire always freaked me out. In that condition, I trust the computer's judgement a little more than my own having survived many such conditions better than others. Of course with an easily accessible off button in case it screws up.

 

[Crissa]

I know nothing about mechanics and electronics of how these cars work but I don't see why you need snow mode? If the purpose is for you to avoid locking wheels and slipping, shouldn't that be standard safety feature that is active all the time? unless you are on a tow truck or some sort of funky drift mode for fun, vehicle should not be moving when the wheels are not turning. If that is happening, computer have to adjust, power, regen and braking to control traction on snow, mud, sand or any other surface. Modes should be for when you want it to slip.

Those of you who know what you are talking about, educate me if I am missing something here.

In different weather you know that certain amounts of torque are more likely to slip out. You basically tamp that down while raising the sensitivity of the anti-slip controls. A slip on a puddle can be solved by slowing down instantly - not so when you slip on ice.

Right now, FSD and Autopilot don't know to cap peak speed and acceleration during different weather conditions. They should.

-Crissa

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