Mileage

[lowtek]

The Cybertruck has a 1000 mile range, change my mind.

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[SpaceYooper]

Check out this site that shows permits (blue), under-construction (yellow) and opened (red) over the last X days: https://supercharge.info/changes
It is impressive. You can narrow it down to some particular states as well. See purple box (deselect all, then select individual states).

I like the site. I'm disappointed by the results for CO. Still nothing permitted or under construction going in and around where I hunt except for the same town that already has a SC. That location doesn't work for me. It's about an hr in the wrong direction.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

What kind of naive comment is that?

Tesla doesn't prescribe the "ideal conditions" used by the EPA to determine the range numbers automakers use, the EPA does. And everyone has to use the same EPA prescribed conditions.

I thought everyone knew that.

Tesla does calculate their EPA range differently then other manufacturers (which the EPA allows) . This article explains it pretty well. But its the reason why most other manufacturers meet or exceed their EPA range and Tesla often falls short.

https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/#:~:text=Tesla conducts additional range tests,more conservative estimates, Pannone said.

EV makers have a choice in how to calculate a model’s range. They can use a standard EPA formula that converts fuel-economy results from city and highway driving tests to calculate a total range figure. Or automakers can conduct additional tests to come up with their own range estimate. The only reason to conduct more tests is to generate a more favorable estimate, said Pannone, a retired auto-industry veteran.

Tesla conducts additional range tests on all of its models. By contrast, many other automakers, including Ford, Mercedes and Porsche, continue to rely on the EPA’s formula to calculate potential range, according to agency data for 2023 models. That generally produces more conservative estimates, Pannone said.

I would like to see the EPA force everyone use the same method and also make the manufacturers post a separate city and highway (70 MPH) range estiamate instead of this mixed fantacy.

 

[cvalue13]

my comment is less naive than yours in fact!!!!!! ? ?

hey man, all you have to do is be a Guinness Record holding hypermiler, and you can just ignore the EPA ratings.

that only requires some years of practice, taking 32hrs to dive 600 miles (average of ~25mph), have people deliver you food using a fishing net out a chase vehicle, and have the cabin temps reach 108° (no HVAC allowed!).

For people in the real world, though, the fact that the EPA treatment by Tesla results in various outcomes looks more like this, in the opposite direction from Guinness records:

 

[COLAB]

Nothing beats a real test with a CT to get a clear idea, whether you want it or not!!!! The rest is just blah blah blah!!! ? ?

 

[JoeRod97]

As a Normy with no towing needs. 300 miles has been enough for me in my MYP.

anything above that would be icing

Agree

 

[Arctic_White]

No one knows. There are 100s of post about this topic in the past few months.

Nice chart!

Rumour has it that the initial battery size would be 140 / 180 kWh. Let's see if the rumours are true.

 

[JBee]

It is crowd-sourced by volunteers and adders like you

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Additionally there likely is Australia TMC forum threads. TMC is where I see many adds. In fact right clicking on a dot the forum link goes to TMC. Looks like you could use either forum to notify of supercharger sites but TMC seems preferred (based on the link example).

Hey that's the closest supercharger to my place! Still 250miles way though... it hasn't been there long, sits under some trees with a gravel car park.

Hopefully there will be more along the way soon, but there's been a bit of push back with ones being built, as they all need backup generators, because the grid is nonexistent to supply them. So lots of people are sorta laughing at them...but it will change one day.

 

[Arctic_White]

Longer range CT probably coming someday

Just not on Nov 30 or soon

The good news (as it gets), is that the vast majority of people won’t get to order one until “someday” - and what’s released Nov 30 is basically irrelevant.

The base CT (dual) will be roughly comparable, all-around, to a long range Lariat Lightning - with the CT taking some minor wins here (eg SS exterior), and some minor loses there (eg less interior room).** This is why Musk said the Lightning was a “good vehicle.”

The elephant left in the room is the MSRP. Here. Muck said the Lightning was “a bit expensive,” so we can expect starting MSRP to beat starting Lariat ER Lightning.



The ‘performance’ option - most should forget about it. It will only change how fast you can accelerate/go, be much more expensive, a little less range, and be made in small quantities.

Anyone disappointed in these outcomes might nominally point to the 2019 unveil as their basis. But after a year+ on this forum, the primary culprit are the hopium dealers that have made wild and baseless promises, while shouting down more pragmatic expectations/skepticism.

Agreed with most of your points. However, I'll add or clarify one thing:

I would be utterly shocked and disappointed if the performance version didn't also have the extended battery pack as standard, compared to the base/dual motor version.

In other words, I fully expect the dual motor to not only be slower but also come with a smaller battery pack as standard, with performance getting an extra motor (tri-motor) plus the large battery pack. I am also hopeful that the larger battery pack has a 500+ mile range but anything over 400 mile range is sufficient for my current needs.

 

[cvalue13]

I would be utterly shocked and disappointed if the performance version didn't also have the extended battery pack as standard, compared to the base/dual motor version.

prepare to be utterly shocked and disappointed?

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[Arctic_White]

prepare to be utterly shocked and disappointed?

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Possibly!

To put it another way, if they do come up with a less-than-previously announced range (500+ miles for the tri-motor) then it would be the first time in Tesla's history that they had over-promised and under-delivered. Note, we are not talking about timelines or pricing here, just the specs.

 

[PilotPete]

What kind of naive comment is that?

Tesla doesn't prescribe the "ideal conditions" used by the EPA to determine the range numbers automakers use, the EPA does. And everyone has to use the same EPA prescribed conditions.

I thought everyone knew that.

And they are not "ideal conditions", merely easier than average conditions. Under close to Ideal conditions, the original Model 3 with 310 miles EPA range was demonstrated to go around 620 to 630 miles (depending upon who was testing it) before the battery died.

Mike,

I think when people use the term "ideal conditions" they refer to the conditions that most closely match the test conditions. Not necessarily "downhill, with the wind, perfect temp" conditions. We have the same thing with aircraft certification numbers. What's the stopping distance? "Ideal conditions" are new tires, no wind, perfect speed control, not the softest of landings, new brakes, clean (no laid down rubber) runway, etc. Can you find those in the real world? Sure. Every landing? Nope. We refer to them as "Ideal conditions" even though there are conditions that are even better for stopping. It's just a term to refer to the conditions under which the tests were conducted,

 

[PilotPete]

prepare to be utterly shocked and disappointed?

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If you're looking for the best 0-60 time, you want the lowest weight. This doesn't match a "500+" mile battery pack weight. Here is a car that goes 0-100kph in 1 second, but because the driver is heavier than the test driver, it was over the 1 second mark. Worth noting, it is electric, and has a small battery pack...

 

[cvalue13]

Possibly!

To put it another way, if they do come up with a less-than-previously announced range (500+ miles for the tri-motor) then it would be the first time in Tesla's history that they had over-promised and under-delivered. Note, we are not talking about timelines or pricing here, just the specs.

first, this “first time over-promised / under-delivered” is pure xwitter fantasy quip. There’s a long list of things that go in this supposedly empty bucket.

second, the even LARGER bucket, accounts for the fact that neither I nor Tesla is saying they’ll never make such a model - just not on Nov 30 or in the near/medium term

In 2019, they never made any promise that all 3 variants seem on screen would be delivered simultaneously- and even if they did, missing THAT promise wouldn’t be out of charachter whatsoever.

but fundamentally, the mistake you appear to be making is this:

the “Tri Motor” described in 2019 is not necessarily coextensive with every model variant that ever comes out with three motors.

Put differently, on Nov 30 they aren’t releasing that “Tri Motor” at all.

They’re selecting something that sort of looks like the “Dual,” plus a new variant never before discussed, which is essentially the “Dual - Performance” (which merely happens to use three motors to achieve the ‘performance’)

Whether Tesla ever offers the 2019 “Tri Motor” sort of vehicle, is not yet known, not yet foreclosed, and so it yet “over promised and under delivered” - not that Tesla is immune to that

 

[cvalue13]

If you're looking for the best 0-60 time, you want the lowest weight. This doesn't match a "500+" mile battery pack weight. Here is a car that goes 0-100kph in 1 second, but because the driver is heavier than the test driver, it was over the 1 second mark. Worth noting, it is electric, and has a small battery pack...

performance model weight will be nominally heavier - but discharge rate and resulting power, ‘tuning,’ etc, higher - eg through different ‘performance’ inverters.

now from THERE if they wanted to be EVEN faster than the performance, tuning optimized etc, THEN they’d need to drop weight

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