Pedestrian Safety Hypocrisy

[Diveflyfish]

I think you're talking about pedestrian airbags. We certainly have the technology to easily deploy pedestrian airbags to the front of the vehicle but not the political will. Woke people just prefer to attack Tesla when I think their cars are each, in all likelihood, the safest for pedestrians in each respective class, primarily due to their advanced ADAS, but also the relatively low hoods, sloping front ends, and good forward visibility. I also think some of the comments about the Cybertruck being dangerous to pedestrians originates with non-woke people who are simply trying to trigger woke people into hating Tesla. Woke people are ripe for being hoodwinked into supporting their fake narratives.

I'm with previous commentors who think better ADAS features (pedestrian avoidance) is the most productive route to reducing pedestrian injuries, and at the lowest cost. The best accident is the one that never happened.

I am in total agreement with you that the haters are simply trying anything to make Tesla “bad.” The real safety is in Avoidance. That is where Tesla’s suite of tech shines.

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[cbrtrckrsrvd112219]

I think you're talking about pedestrian airbags. We certainly have the technology to easily deploy pedestrian airbags to the front of the vehicle but not the political will. Woke people just prefer to attack Tesla when I think their cars are each, in all likelihood, the safest for pedestrians in each respective class, primarily due to their advanced ADAS, but also the relatively low hoods, sloping front ends, and good forward visibility. I also think some of the comments about the Cybertruck being dangerous to pedestrians originates with non-woke people who are simply trying to trigger woke people into hating Tesla. Woke people are ripe for being hoodwinked into supporting their fake narratives.

I'm with previous commentors who think better ADAS features (pedestrian avoidance) is the most productive route to reducing pedestrian injuries, and at the lowest cost. The best accident is the one that never happened.

why stop here.. lets go to Red Flag Laws for ALL Teslas! ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws

 

[DumpsterFire]

Bringing up “woke” people as hating Tesla and Musk is pretty hilarious.

You realize that the most popular Tesla area in the US is a where you dudes consider woke?

Ya know, Cali? ?

 

[SlegMD]

I’m actually concerned about the perfect fall right into the open frunk fender of the CT. Other than that any collision of reasonable velocity will rupture critical tissue, whatever the shape.

 

[Rutrow]

If a vehicle exits the roadway at high speed, pedestrians are doomed. Vehicle safety standards will not help.

The safety standards are meant to prevent low-speed collisions from becoming fatal.

Every car that has ever left the roadway has eventually reached a "low speed" velocity for a couple of yards. If there's a vulnerable life form in that zone, it's nice if the front of the vehicle has some shock absorbing panels on it to mitigate some of the energy.

 

[CyberGus]

Every car that has ever left the roadway has eventually reached a "low speed" velocity for a couple of yards. If there's a vulnerable life form in that zone, it's nice if the front of the vehicle has some shock absorbing panels on it to mitigate some of the energy.

If you don’t like my driving, stay off the sidewalk

 

[Rutrow]

Bringing up “woke” people as hating Tesla and Musk is pretty hilarious.

You realize that the most popular Tesla area in the US is a where you dudes consider woke?

Ya know, Cali? ?

For the record, I'm from Arkansas, I'm Woke, I can afford a CyberTruck, and I'm pretty disappointed in Musk of late. Stereotype me however you'd like. I enjoy reading posts from most people on this forum. ?

 

[JBee]

Too much name calling.

You don't have to be labelled to belong.

CT is a common interest that should connect us, not divide us.

Not enough love going around.

 

[HaulingAss]

For the record, I'm from Arkansas, I'm Woke, I can afford a CyberTruck, and I'm pretty disappointed in Musk of late. Stereotype me however you'd like. I enjoy reading posts from most people on this forum. ?

I think I need to clarify my use of the word "woke". I've been very liberal socially my entire life. I believe in American freedoms and the principles underlying the woke movement. What I'm speaking of is how the movement has morphed to the extreme, where people can't even say what they mean without being cancelled or legislated away. I'm talking about people who demand extreme political correctness at the expense of our constitutionally protected rights like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc. I believe in NOT legislating what people can believe in or what they are allowed to say. I'm offended by people that think it's appropriate to control others thoughts and speech.

It's very important for democracy that government and courts don't control other people's thoughts and speech, no matter how misguided someone might think those thoughts or speech are. It's a slippery slope. The right to censor speech belongs to private forums, your house, your business, not public forums. Government overreach is bad.

The idea that Musk is doing something wrong by operating a forum that respects the same freedomm of speech rights we have in public, is misguided at best and enemies of electrification have weaponized these misguided people to try to harm Musk and, indirectly, Tesla. They even have the balls to suggest that Musk has done such heinous things that he must step down as CEO of Tesla. That would be the fastest track to turn an outstanding company into an ordinary company.

The same type of anti-Tesla people are trying to strengthen their case by pushing the idea that the Cybertruck is somehow more dangerous to pedestrians than a Ram 1500 or a police SUV with rigid bull bars mounted in front like a human guillotine. It's obvious hypocrisy when veiwed objectively. It's not done out of a sincere concern for pedestrian safety, but to try to sully the brand.

 

[PilotPete]

I think I need to clarify my use of the word "woke". I've been very liberal socially my entire life. I believe in American freedoms and the principles underlying the woke movement. What I'm speaking of is how the movement has morphed to the extreme, where people can't even say what they mean without being cancelled or legislated away. I'm talking about people who demand extreme political correctness at the expense of our constitutionally protected rights like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc. I believe in NOT legislating what people can believe in or what they are allowed to say. I'm offended by people that think it's appropriate to control others thoughts and speech.

It's very important for democracy that government and courts don't control other people's thoughts and speech, no matter how misguided someone might think those thoughts or speech are. It's a slippery slope. The right to censor speech belongs to private forums, your house, your business, not public forums. Government overreach is bad.

The idea that Musk is doing something wrong by operating a forum that respects the same freedomm of speech rights we have in public, is misguided at best and enemies of electrification have weaponized these misguided people to try to harm Musk and, indirectly, Tesla. They even have the balls to suggest that Musk has done such heinous things that he must step down as CEO of Tesla. That would be the fastest track to turn an outstanding company into an ordinary company.

The same type of anti-Tesla people are trying to strengthen their case by pushing the idea that the Cybertruck is somehow more dangerous to pedestrians than a Ram 1500 or a police SUV with rigid bull bars mounted in front like a human guillotine. It's obvious hypocrisy when veiwed objectively. It's not done out of a sincere concern for pedestrian safety, but to try to sully the brand.

Mike,

I just wanted to publicly say to you that I applaud your beliefs and statements above. Any other thoughts about the entire subject just doesn't matter when compared to what you have said.

 

[SparkChaser]

Well said HaulingAss.
I too have been a liberal and progressive all my life. The principles of free speech have really taken a beating and there is so little understanding of the value of it. People get traumatized by someone saying something they do not like and then they want to be protected from it. The ability for anyone to have a wrong, or unpopular belief, make statements supporting these things in public are constitutionally protected. Social media has become the public square. For better or worse. The big issue for me is the platforms are built to magnify things that keep you clicking and outraged.

 

[Tanquen]

Many years ago now I thought they made the really big/tall bar bumpers that were in vogue for a time illegal in some states or countries. Bush bars or brush bars or something like that. It's just logical that a big less malleable bar with a lot less surface area is going to push into somebody's torso or head at the top of a truck hood more so than plastic and I hood that gives in a little on impact. Like would you want to get hit by a baseball bat in the head going 30 mph? Or would you rather try your luck hitting the hood of a modern car at 30 mph? The ones on the cruisers do look even worse, but hopefully or at least theoretically they're less likely to be an accident with a pedestrian. There's also fewer of them and I would hope less likely to be driven by somebody drunk or otherwise compromised, if nothing else.

One of the advantages of the thinner sheet metal, unibody construction, crumple zones and so on, I thought, was pedestrian safety. And if you're going to make a bunch of vehicles, why not make them safer for pedestrians if it's easy to do. Don't care who or how or why or who's fault it is, but I'd much rather get slammed into you by a vehicle that's as forgiving as possible.

When they first released a picture of the cybertruck, that was my first thought because I remember those news stories on people getting hit by big bar bumpers versus a normal front end of a modern car. The two pointy sides perpendicular to the pedestrian worry me the most. I remember in one of the crash tests that shows them flexing outward a little bit when they hit a car with the front trunk lid squishing in, but I don't like the idea of those pushing into the side of somebody. They talk about the metal being thicker. They talk about it being super hard to bend. They talk about it being bulletproof. They mentioned that if you're in an accident with another vehicle, this vehicle is going to win. So yeah I do think about what happens when it hits somebody.

 

[cbrtrckrsrvd112219]

Bringing up “woke” people as hating Tesla and Musk is pretty hilarious.

You realize that the most popular Tesla area in the US is a where you dudes consider woke?

Ya know, Cali? ?

also california: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sticker-bought-before-elon-was-crazy-debate-reddit-2023-9

 

[HaulingAss]

Many years ago now I thought they made the really big/tall bar bumpers that were in vogue for a time illegal in some states or countries. Bush bars or brush bars or something like that.

I'm not aware of bull bars being made illegal in any U.S. state. They are quite ubiquitous on police vehicles in most U.S. states. Unlike the supposed dangers of the Cybertruck, which is pure speculation without any supporting evidence, almost no one seems to care that police vehicles have these deadly modifications.

But, yeah, much noise about how evil the Cybertruck is...

 

[Tanquen]

But, yeah, much noise about how evil the Cybertruck is...

There will always be some of that, but I think there's some genuine concern there. Hard angles, unforgiving thick hard to bend metal, hard sharp perpendicular edges, seem more dangerous. And again, one would hope police and emergency vehicles are driven by folks a little more skilled or paying a little more attention and or a little less likely to be under the influence of alcohol, etc. Maybe all that doesn't add up too much, but it is not nothing.

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