Police Remote Halt

[BTCyberTruck]

Havn't read anything about the cybertruck programmed with police emergency response "Remote Halt". Any thoughts?

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[Crissa]

Tesla so far has been reticent to reach into their cars and deactivate them, except for owners.

-Crissa

 

[Kahpernicus]

Is this in regards to this?

The Infrastructure and Investment Jobs Act, signed by Biden in November 2021, doesn’t include any language about a “kill switch” that police and the federal government can access to stop your vehicle.
What it does include is a provision meant to prevent drunk driving deaths.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), a federal agency that’s part of the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), said the legislation directs the DOT to issue a safety standard requiring the installation of advanced impaired driving prevention technology in new vehicles.

The infrastructure deal doesn’t describe specific technology, though it does say the system should be able to passively monitor a driver’s performance to identify whether they might be impaired or detect whether their blood alcohol concentration (BAC) is over the legal limit. If a person is impaired, the system could then “prevent or limit motor vehicle operation.”
That means the system in the car would detect impairment, and it would not be run by people or anything outside of the car.
This technology would be required as standard equipment in all new vehicles before they are sold.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/...deal/536-812f84e6-cbb1-4b29-bfab-6dc0d47159c9

 

[SentinelOne]

Will make it even easier for our pending opponents / hackers to remote nuke all of the US transportation system or at least large fleets of vehicles...

Yay

 

[fhteagle]

Remote disable = immediate fuse pull or wire cut on any vehicle I own. The likelihood of government abuse of this feature is a million x worse than the risk of my car being stolen and needing located or disabled. If disabling exterior comms would disable the car, I'd be selling it the next day.

After seeing the disaster that is the current generation breathalyzer system on a neighbor's truck, I won't be buying anything with that baked in either, government mandate or not.

 

[CyberGus]

Remote disable = immediate fuse pull or wire cut on any vehicle I own. The likelihood of government abuse of this feature is a million x worse than the risk of my car being stolen and needing located or disabled. If disabling exterior comms would disable the car, I'd be selling it the next day.

After seeing the disaster that is the current generation breathalyzer system on a neighbor's truck, I won't be buying anything with that baked in either, government mandate or not.

Geez, you're so American

The cops have radios, helicopters, guns, PIT maneuvers, and spike strips. They don't need a computer to stop a vehicle.

A "remote disable" feature would be preferable to a high-speed chase that endangers lives. However, once all the necessary safeguards are wrapped around it, it's not really effective anymore.

 

[LordGeo]

Geez, you're so American

The cops have radios, helicopters, guns, PIT maneuvers, and spike strips. They don't need a computer to stop a vehicle.

A "remote disable" feature would be preferable to a high-speed chase that endangers lives. However, once all the necessary safeguards are wrapped around it, it's not really effective anymore.

why would they want to risk their safety if they could just hit a button?

 

[Fleetwood75]

Geez, you're so American

The cops have radios, helicopters, guns, PIT maneuvers, and spike strips. They don't need a computer to stop a vehicle.

A "remote disable" feature would be preferable to a high-speed chase that endangers lives. However, once all the necessary safeguards are wrapped around it, it's not really effective anymore.

I'm not so worried about local or even state police abusing it.

"Just for two weeks, to flatten the curve" is what (insert federal agency here) will say when they "temporarily" remotely disable your truck

 

[CyberGus]

why would they want to risk their safety if they could just hit a button?

Right, but they can't just "hit a button".

To prevent cyberattacks and unapproved use, the system would require strong cryptographic keys, unique to each vehicle. Those are only as secure as their storage, so they would need to be locked up. How does the cop get a specific key (assuming the licence places aren't fraudulent)? Does it require a court order, or proof of "exigent circumstances"? How long does the chase go on while the LEO is haggling with dispatch over the radio, which is then trying to access some secure database?

It's easier to just to shoot lol

 

[scottyah]

Geez, you're so American

The cops have radios, helicopters, guns, PIT maneuvers, and spike strips. They don't need a computer to stop a vehicle.

A "remote disable" feature would be preferable to a high-speed chase that endangers lives. However, once all the necessary safeguards are wrapped around it, it's not really effective anymore.

The likelihood of some gov employees abusing or messing up helicopters and spike strips is way less than some remote-disable software. If this software gets added I think there's a nearly 99% chance that someone's car gets remotely disabled when it shouldn't be.

 

[hridge2020]

Geez, you're so American

The cops have radios, helicopters, guns, PIT maneuvers, and spike strips. They don't need a computer to stop a vehicle.

A "remote disable" feature would be preferable to a high-speed chase that endangers lives. However, once all the necessary safeguards are wrapped around it, it's not really effective anymore.

Don't forget the Grappler

 

[Woodrick]

I'm pretty sure that there have already been situations where Police/User/and Tesla have done that.

But being able to track your vehicle is just about as good. Much easier to apprehend while stopped as opposed to moving.

 

[REM]

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.g...technology-2127-AM50-web-version-12-12-23.pdf

I never saw any mention of being able to interact with the vehicle using remote control software... however...

Ultimately the end state of a level 5 system will definitely have controls in place to yield to emergency vehicles. Not only slowing WAY down when flashing lights are detected up ahead, but also slowing down and moving out of the way of vehicles approaching from behind.

I suspect there will even be controls for automatically pulling over and turning on hazard flashers when the A.I. detects that a police unit is attempting to pull the vehicle over to the side of the road. So that will be just as good as a remote kill switch, to be honest.

Once we hit level 4 and 5 systems, we will start seeing emergency responder data in the pipeline. So that means if units are deployed to a crash on an interstate, they can geo-mark the exact location and oncoming traffic in that area should automatically either start diverting, slowing, or stopping. This is obviously when the vast majority of older vehicles are either off the road or will take a special provisional license to operate. My guess is that Tesla will lead the way in the development.

 

[lowtek]

Geez, you're so American

A "remote disable" feature would be preferable to a high-speed chase that endangers lives.

This sentiment is so Communist. You must be new here (planet Earth).

And, uhm, hell no.

 

[Woodrick]

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.g...technology-2127-AM50-web-version-12-12-23.pdf

I never saw any mention of being able to interact with the vehicle using remote control software... however...

Ultimately the end state of a level 5 system will definitely have controls in place to yield to emergency vehicles. Not only slowing WAY down when flashing lights are detected up ahead, but also slowing down and moving out of the way of vehicles approaching from behind.

I suspect there will even be controls for automatically pulling over and turning on hazard flashers when the A.I. detects that a police unit is attempting to pull the vehicle over to the side of the road. So that will be just as good as a remote kill switch, to be honest.

Once we hit level 4 and 5 systems, we will start seeing emergency responder data in the pipeline. So that means if units are deployed to a crash on an interstate, they can geo-mark the exact location and oncoming traffic in that area should automatically either start diverting, slowing, or stopping. This is obviously when the vast majority of older vehicles are either off the road or will take a special provisional license to operate. My guess is that Tesla will lead the way in the development.

Open windows, blow horn, limit speed from the app.. And I think that Tesla can stop it.

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