Range Extender Class Action Claim

[sefar]

Wouldn’t this sort of thing been tried dozens of times before? Surely Tesla isn’t the first to over promise and under deliver and I bet they do so on advice from good counsel.

Every car sales contract/purchase order I have seen recites that there were no inducements other than what appear on the document. Caveat emptor and all that.

Tesla actually means overpromise in ancient Gaelic.

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[bg002h]

Can you show us the promise that Tesla made to you?

You’re not literally suggesting Tesla doesn’t over promise and under deliver, are you? I do not believe that’s a position a rational person can honestly defend.

Of course Tesla does, but the question isn’t right or wrong it is about legality. If Tesla were a friend you’d ditch the lazy bum in a heart beat. But in the commercial setting, I’m not convinced this type of unjust behavior is unlawful.

 

[REM]

You’re not literally suggesting Tesla doesn’t over promise and under deliver, are you? I do not believe that’s a position a rational person can honestly defend.

Of course Tesla does, but the question isn’t right or wrong it is about legality. If Tesla were a friend you’d ditch the lazy bum in a heart beat. But in the commercial setting, I’m not convinced this type of unjust behavior is unlawful.

I asked you a simple question. You claimed that Tesla made promises, and I would like to review them. I'm not sure calling me irrational helps with that.

 

[bg002h]

You’re not literally suggesting Tesla doesn’t over promise and under deliver, are you? I do not believe that’s a position a rational person can honestly defend.

I asked you a simple question. You claimed that Tesla made promises, and I would like to review them. I'm not sure calling me irrational helps with that.

if you redefine promise to mean contract in writing signed by both parties as opposed to Tesla falsely stating what they will do, then you are right, they made no contract/promise.

But if humans did this in real life to each other, everyone would recognize this as a total douche move…but being a douche isn’t a crime and I don’t think Tesla has legal liability for saying one thing and doing another.

But if you are saying Tesla never stated they would do A but instead did B, the list of examples to the contrary is rather long.

 

[REM]

if you redefine promise to mean contract in writing signed by both parties as opposed to Tesla falsely stating what they will do, then you are right, they made no contract/promise.

But if humans did this in real life to each other, everyone would recognize this as a total douche move…but being a douche isn’t a crime and I don’t think Tesla has legal liability for saying one thing and doing another.

But if you are saying Tesla never stated they would do A but instead did B, the list of examples to the contrary is rather long.

you said: "Surely Tesla isn’t the first to over promise and under deliver and I bet they do so on advice from good counsel."

I am simply asking what Tesla has promised you or anyone else. I'm not sure why this is such a hard question.

 

[bg002h]

you said: "Surely Tesla isn’t the first to over promise and under deliver and I bet they do so on advice from good counsel."

I am simply asking what Tesla has promised you or anyone else. I'm not sure why this is such a hard question.

The CT will arrive by date a, no b, no c, no d…x10
CT will have 500 mile range
Ct will have a ranger extender for sale
CT will be an exoskeleton design, allowing for larger door openings than other cars
CT will have solar tonneau cover
CT will have t-slot tracks in the bed floor for securing cargo
CT will seat 6
CT will have FSD (not sfsd)
CT will have ASS
CT will tilt to allow you to drive your four wheeler or motor bike up the ramp that deploys out from the tailgate
CT FS will have off road lights

I do not believe this is an exhaustive list of things Tesla said they would do but failed to deliver. And I’m not counting things that are implicitly promised such as our gas pedals won’t fall over and get stuck at 100% accelerator and all the other glue related failures.

All these shenanigans, while obviously scummy things to do to trick people, I don’t believe are actually illegal. Kinda like how diamonds up until maybe 10-15 years ago could be filled with clear glue to make them look like precious stones…such malfeasance is so common in the market place of scammers that prosecuting all is infeasible thus caveat emptor.

 

[CyberGus]

All these shenanigans, while obviously scummy things to do to trick people, I don’t believe are actually illegal.

Correct, there was nothing illegal. I'm skeptical about "scummy" as well. No manufacturer ever delivers exactly what was shown on a prototype. Such product reveals are meant to be aspirational, becoming pared-down when engineers walk into the buzzsaw of reality.

The CT also delivered things that were not shown on reveal day, like 4WS.

 

[dpoll995]

This is dumb.. they refunded the deposit so there are no damages. You purchased the truck just like it stated on the order. The possibility of a future accessory is not relevant. If they didn’t refund your deposit for the range extender, they you might have a case.

 

[YDR37]

The CT also delivered things that were not shown on reveal day, like 4WS.

That's true, the four-wheel steering wasn't shown at the 2019 reveal. It wasn't announced until 2021, at the same time as the quad-motor trim.

 

[bg002h]

Correct, there was nothing illegal. I'm skeptical about "scummy" as well. No manufacturer ever delivers exactly what was shown on a prototype. Such product reveals are meant to be aspirational, becoming pared-down when engineers walk into the buzzsaw of reality.

The CT also delivered things that were not shown on reveal day, like 4WS.

I totally agree that lying is so common in the market place that unless we want to call every liar scummy, we can’t use the term.

That said, Tesla is obviously a bunch of money hungry liars and scumbags who are good at unjustly enriching themselves by skirting the line between legal and illegal and clearly totally wrong on dozens of counts.

But other than that, they’re great. I’m just glad I didn’t spend real money on my FSBeast…if one were to think me harsh on Tesla, just wait until you hear about this scam called the Dollar — this is a scam x 10,000,000

 

[REM]

The CT will arrive by date a, no b, no c, no d…x10
CT will have 500 mile range
Ct will have a ranger extender for sale
CT will be an exoskeleton design, allowing for larger door openings than other cars
CT will have solar tonneau cover
CT will have t-slot tracks in the bed floor for securing cargo
CT will seat 6
CT will have FSD (not sfsd)
CT will have ASS
CT will tilt to allow you to drive your four wheeler or motor bike up the ramp that deploys out from the tailgate
CT FS will have off road lights

I do not believe this is an exhaustive list of things Tesla said they would do but failed to deliver. And I’m not counting things that are implicitly promised such as our gas pedals won’t fall over and get stuck at 100% accelerator and all the other glue related failures.

All these shenanigans, while obviously scummy things to do to trick people, I don’t believe are actually illegal. Kinda like how diamonds up until maybe 10-15 years ago could be filled with clear glue to make them look like precious stones…such malfeasance is so common in the market place of scammers that prosecuting all is infeasible thus caveat emptor.

Having read this, it seems abundantly clear that you just want to do this thing where people pretend to not understand how things work, thus making it impossible to have a reasonable discussion.

These are things you have written down. I am asking for you to show me where Tesla, the company, has made a promise to you.

The accelerator pedal and the supply chain issue with adhesives is was discovered and addressed. The fact that you are trying to use this as some "gotcha" is weird.

 

[REM]

I totally agree that lying is so common in the market place that unless we want to call every liar scummy, we can’t use the term.

That said, Tesla is obviously a bunch of money hungry liars and scumbags who are good at unjustly enriching themselves by skirting the line between legal and illegal and clearly totally wrong on dozens of counts.

But other than that, they’re great. I’m just glad I didn’t spend real money on my FSBeast…if one were to think me harsh on Tesla, just wait until you hear about this scam called the Dollar — this is a scam x 10,000,000

Delusional and childish.

 

[dalton108]

I say this with kindness.

A lawsuit filed for this will not survive a motion for summary judgement.

I say it with kindness in the hope that logic prevails over feelings. You would be wasting not only your time but the idiot lawyer that would be so inexperienced or such a sycophant that he’d actually file something like this. There is no valid possibility of any kind of success on the merits of what is being asserted because there is no lawsuit here.

How anyone “feels” about a business decision to NOT go to market is absolutely in-actionable.

Be good to yourself (and everyone else) and don’t waste your time.

Concur.

 

[dalton108]

You are missing my point. I am not requiring them to make a Range Extender; They can certainly change their minds. I am making a point about misrepresentation and fraudulent inducement, which are grounds for a misrepresentation claim.

@CT_AZ_4x4 like myself is one of a handful of lawyers that are regulars here (though we are not YOUR lawyers). He’s already given you a rundown of how your hypothetical lawsuit would go down.

Neither misrepresentation, nor fraudulent inducement, nor any concepts (or law) related to real property are relevant to your situation. You’ve stated that you’re not a lawyer. That’s obvious. My best advice for you would be to consult one. Get this out of your system, by having someone who is licensed in the great state of California explain this to you and move on.

And yes sometimes people here can be aggressive and not particularly kind. Like anywhere else there’s a mix of people. You have some rabid fanbois, some cranks, some pedantic assholes (), some very smart ladies and some pretty cool and funny dudes.

What you might be missing here is that you’re not finding a lot of support for the idea of a class action lawsuit. The consistency in the feedback that you’re getting ought to tell you something.

But again, the best way for you to evaluate whether you have a meritorious claim against Tesla along the lines you suggest is not to get on the Internet on an owners forum (which is generally going to be a place peopled by folks who are fans of the car in question). It’s to engage a lawyer in your jurisdiction who can counsel you regarding your options and available remedies, if any.

 

[CT_AZ_4x4]

@CT_AZ_4x4 like myself is one of a handful of lawyers that are regulars here (though we are not YOUR lawyers). He’s already given you a rundown…

Just for my malpractice insurance and any of my bar associations: I’m not participating in this forum as a lawyer. Nothing I’ve written or suggested should be construed as any type of legal advice. If I were anyone’s lawyer that would be explicitly stated and agreed to. Short of that, I’m not anyone’s lawyer. Nothing I write in this forum is legal advice.

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