Round or square? Buttons or stalks?

[TheLastStarfighter]

Not to dismiss your condition, which must be horrible, but now imagine traversing a tight bend, with the wheel at over 90° and not being able to reposition your hands, or hitting those indicator buttons at awkward angles.

A yoke and touch sensitive buttons (btw do they even work with gloves on?) are fine when driving straight.

For the record I have less of a beef with the yoke. In the Model S it has the benefit of opening up the view to the dash gauge area (a benefit that does not exist with the Model 3 or Cybertruck). It too is awkward in bends, but not as much as not having fixed position indicator controls or physical drive selector.

Your logic is flawed, because you either have to reposition your hands to hit the signal stock, or the signal buttons. And in reality, if you are beyond 90 degrees with the wheel, hopefully you have already indicated that you turning.

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[SlegMD]

Any experience with the yoke and towing? I expect more limitations here, but have no experience with the yoke.

 

[Crissa]

Any experience with the yoke and towing? I expect more limitations here, but have no experience with the yoke.

Why would it affect towing?

There is a trick about turning to look backwards and holding the top of the wheel, but if the vault is closed or has a load you can't see out the back anyhow.

-Crissa

 

[SlegMD]

Why would it affect towing?

There is a trick about turning to look backwards and holding the top of the wheel, but if the vault is closed or has a load you can't see out the back anyhow.

-Crissa

Do you have experience with the yoke and towing?
How do you hold the top of the yoke?
Open the vault so you can reverse with a trailer?

Reversing with a trailer is the harder aspects of towing, and usually there are some minute manipulations of the steering wheel to correct trajectory. Anyone else have experience with the yoke and towing?

 

[Crissa]

Do you have experience with the yoke and towing?

Irrelevant.

Open the vault so you can reverse with a trailer?

Is that the only way you can drive? You don't know how to use mirrors and visual lane cues?

How do you hold the top of the yoke?

For what other reason would you need to? Did you read my post you're replying to?

I begin to doubt anyone's expertise in towing which begins and ends with 'look through the rear window and grab the top of the wheel'.

-Crissa

 

[SlegMD]

Irrelevant.


Is that the only way you can drive? You don't know how to use mirrors and visual lane cues?


For what other reason would you need to? Did you read my post you're replying to?

I begin to doubt anyone's expertise in towing which begins and ends with 'look through the rear window and grab the top of the wheel'.

-Crissa

Please stop. I had an honest question. Read your response, you don’t add anything relevant.
And who said anything about relying solely on the mirror for reverse trailer guiding? Sometimes it’s needed. Otherwise side markers are best with trailer and truck are best.
And finally, sometimes you’re going to need all aspects of the wheel. My question is how does the yoke perform.

I view this forum for information from individuals, because they usually have valuable insights. Usually.

 

[HaulingAss]

There is no drive focused display and FSD is not fully autonomous yet. These changes to driving controls are not going to drive new customers but it will turn off many traditional truck buyers.

You mean us Cybertruck enthusiasts can get our deliveries sooner if the traditionalists cancel their reservations? Yes!

What do you mean by "drive focused display"? I don't think a display hiding behind a steering wheel is very driver focused. I don't want to have adjust my steering wheel height to the only position that lets me see a tiny display through the small space below the top rim of the steering wheel (and that becomes obscured if the spokes of the steering wheel are turned a little bit to block the display). That location is not very driver friendly, if you are actually driving the car.

I would rather look over the 2 o'clock position of the rim of the steering wheel, like I do in our Model 3's. Much safer than peering down the steering column.

 

[HaulingAss]

Please stop. I had an honest question. Read your response, you don’t add anything relevant.
And who said anything about relying solely on the mirror for reverse trailer guiding? Sometimes it’s needed. Otherwise side markers are best with trailer and truck are best.
And finally, sometimes you’re going to need all aspects of the wheel. My question is how does the yoke perform.

I view this forum for information from individuals, because they usually have valuable insights. Usually.

I have to disagree, Crissa raised very valid points that I think you could see if you didn't have such a closed mind. I've been backing up trailers my entire life sporadically, both for myself and in various blue-collar jobs, and it was never a problem to back them up without a rear-view window/mirror. In fact, even when I had a rear-view mirror, I preferred to switch between left and right side-veiw mirrors for a better view of the ground around and behind the trailer. You know, the views that actually matter. Typically, the trailer blocks the center view to the rear (unless it's an empty flatbed or boat trailer).

And the old advice to grab the top center of the wheel and turn in the direction you want the trailer to go is a good learning technique for a novice, but hardly needed by anyone who has even limited trailer backing experience (unless they have dyslexia perhaps). I imagine even the square profile of the Cybertruck would work with this technique, or one could just grab one of the top corners of the square wheel and do the same thing.

Humans should always keep their minds open to doing things different ways. Otherwise, you block yourself into a corner and think there is only one valid way to do something. We are amazingly adaptable (which is why humans have things like cars, airplanes and boats, and the rest of the animal kingdom does not).

 

[newwave1331]

Yoke isnt happening unless its an option. We haven't seen any yokes on RCs yet. Only one steering wheel. We are getting a square wheel.

The only debate left is stalks or not. If its a work truck with multiple drivers, stalks are self explanatory, buttons/screen are not.

 

[SlegMD]

I have to disagree, Crissa raised very valid points that I think you could see if you didn't have such a closed mind. I've been backing up trailers my entire life sporadically, both for myself and in various blue-collar jobs, and it was never a problem to back them up without a rear-view window/mirror. In fact, even when I had a rear-view mirror, I preferred to switch between left and right side-veiw mirrors for a better view of the ground around and behind the trailer. You know, the views that actually matter. Typically, the trailer blocks the center view to the rear (unless it's an empty flatbed or boat trailer).

And the old advice to grab the top center of the wheel and turn in the direction you want the trailer to go is a good learning technique for a novice, but hardly needed by anyone who has even limited trailer backing experience (unless they have dyslexia perhaps). I imagine even the square profile of the Cybertruck would work with this technique, or one could just grab one of the top corners of the square wheel and do the same thing.

Humans should always keep their minds open to doing things different ways. Otherwise, you block yourself into a corner and think there is only one valid way to do something. We are amazingly adaptable (which is why humans have things like cars, airplanes and boats, and the rest of the animal kingdom does not).

You both have latched onto the comment of occasionally using the rear view mirror while towing? It’s used for checking surroundings if possible, I guide the trailer with side mirrors otherwise, or land marks, etc. it’s really not rocket science. This isn’t even what the comment is about, I’m not interested in the rear view mirror, that was added to this convo. I’ve asked the viability of the yoke with this maneuver, if anyone has it. Nothing more. Last paragraph is cute.

 

[SlegMD]

Yoke isnt happening unless its an option. We haven't seen any yokes on RCs yet. Only one steering wheel. We are getting a square wheel.

The only debate left is stalks or not. If its a work truck with multiple drivers, stalks are self explanatory, buttons/screen are not.

I’m genuinely interested in the yoke. Going to bump up your stat to 25%.

But I guess the square wheel may make my concerns irrelevant.

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