Towed a 10,400 pound generator today!

[Crissa]

The charge time and battery size of the cybertruck are the real killers. The CT could have blown by the other EV trucks with decent charging and a bigger battery pack and competed with ICE trucks for work trucks.
I think Tesla realized that most people will be driving these from their home garage chargers to the mall and back and cut the larger pack which would have delivered the 500+ miles we were initially sold and for some reason put a charging system that can't keep up with a slew of other EVs.

Until the charging is fixed and the battery size is increased the CT will be viable for short route pool guys and candlemakers but will struggle as a work truck. It does make a nice minivan or SUV replacement for driving performance although it gives up a lot of comforts and luxuries at the pricepoint.

Unfortunately, that's not how that works.

The charging rate is limited by the Superchargers and the battery pack, the cooling system on the truck is the only other limit. The Supercharger network just isn't designed for Cybertrucks yet - and the CCS network doesn't manage the base reliability for that 'slew' you mention.

Tesla always planned on shipping the mid-sized battery pack first. That's what they said on launch night. It's disappointing they weren't able to go with a double pack for the Cyberbeast towing package, but there are plenty of non-towing trucks that need to be replaced with EVs before they start mass-producing Semis.

-Crissa

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[Eliot Minaise]

It is might be a proxy for comparing different locations and potential amount of commercial activity.

In a large area, lower population probably means fewer businesses, fewer trucks.

Trying to estimate what % of 150/1500/250/2500 class pickup trucks tow 100 miles or less round trip.

Ford, GM, RAM, Tesla, Toyota, Nissan know the answer. Any billion $ company or $ billionaire person can easily get a very good estimate in a couple of days by hiring any one of the hundreds of research companies that charge $10s-100s thousand for the answer.

Us regular people have to guess using free public information.

Higher population density probably means more business activity but each business truck needs to travel fewer miles to serve same number of customers.

Some states much geographically smaller than Oregon have many more trucks.
Illinois
Florida
North Carolina
New York
Pennsylvania
Tennessee
Ohio
Virginia
Indiana
Wisconsin

state of Maryland is about 1/10 size of Oregon but Maryland has more trucks.

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Private and commercial truck registrations in the U.S. in 2021, by state
Dec 19, 2023
Published by Statista Research Department
https://www.statista.com/statistics...ate-and-commercial-trucks-in-the-us-by-state/

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List of U.S. states and territories by area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area

Land area ​	​	State / territory ​
Square miles​	​
570,641​	​	Alaska​
261,232​	​	Texas​
155,779​	​	California​
145,546​	​	Montana​
121,298​	​	New Mexico​
113,594​	​	Arizona​
109,781​	​	Nevada​
103,642​	​	Colorado​
97,093​	​	Wyoming​
95,988​	​	Oregon​
82,643​	​	Idaho​
82,170​	​	Utah​
81,759​	​	Kansas​
79,627​	​	Minnesota​
76,824​	​	Nebraska​
75,811​	​	South Dakota​
69,001​	​	North Dakota​
68,742​	​	Missouri​
68,595​	​	Oklahoma​
66,456​	​	Washington​
57,513​	​	Georgia​
56,539​	​	Michigan​
55,857​	​	Iowa​
55,519​	​	Illinois​
54,158​	​	Wisconsin​
53,625​	​	Florida​
52,035​	​	Arkansas​
50,645​	​	Alabama​
48,618​	​	North Carolina​
47,126​	​	New York​
46,923​	​	Mississippi​
44,743​	​	Pennsylvania​
43,204​	​	Louisiana​
41,235​	​	Tennessee​
40,861​	​	Ohio​
39,490​	​	Virginia​
39,486​	​	Kentucky​
35,826​	​	Indiana​
30,843​	​	Maine​
30,061​	​	South Carolina​
24,038​	​	West Virginia​
9,707​	​	Maryland​
9,217​	​	Vermont​
8,953​	​	New Hampshire​
7,800​	​	Massachusetts​
7,354​	​	New Jersey​
6,423​	​	Hawaii​
4,842​	​	Connecticut​
3,424​	​	Puerto Rico​
1,949​	​	Delaware​
1,034​	​	Rhode Island​
210​	​	Guam​
182​	​	Northern Mariana Islands​
134​	​	U.S. Virgin Islands​
76​	​	American Samoa​
61​	​	District of Columbia​
​	​	​

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This makes sense! Thank you!?

 

[FutureTruck]

Unfortunately, that's not how that works.

The charging rate is limited by the Superchargers and the battery pack, the cooling system on the truck is the only other limit. The Supercharger network just isn't designed for Cybertrucks yet - and the CCS network doesn't manage the base reliability for that 'slew' you mention.

Tesla always planned on shipping the mid-sized battery pack first. That's what they said on launch night. It's disappointing they weren't able to go with a double pack for the Cyberbeast towing package, but there are plenty of non-towing trucks that need to be replaced with EVs before they start mass-producing Semis.

-Crissa

If Chevy can do it with the Silverado I am sure the Tesla team can do it, just surprised that Chevy has the lead in range and towing for an EV, not to mention the 350kw charging

 

[firsttruck]

If Chevy can do it with the Silverado I am sure the Tesla team can do it, just surprised that Chevy has the lead in range and towing for an EV, not to mention the 350kw charging

There is a huge w difference.

$80K GM/Chevrolet Silverado with that large battery (200KwH) is being sold at a loss and even if production was scaled up it would still be a money loser. I highly doubt GM/Chevrolet will be making 150K or even 100K units in 2025. Lack of demand at current prices is not the reason GM/Chevrolet will not be making more Silverados. The reason is because GM can't afford to lose more. Mary Barra & GM execs are know their claims are false.

Based on Tesla's passed record with Model 3, Model Y, Giga-Shanghai, Giga-Berlin, and design of Giga-Austin Cybertuck production line, Cybertrucks will probably be profitable before the end of the year (2024) and more than 200K units will be made in 2025.

By end of 2025, Tesla will have shipped more Cybertrucks than lifetime total EV truck production of Ford Lightning & Rivian R1T/S.

 

[FutureTruck]

Maybe, but besides all of the conjecture what I see is one truck that can do close to 500 miles and 250+ towing, the Silverado, which is no doubt a truck and a work truck. The CT gets about half of those numbers and is a luxury suv that can do a few truck things. The competition is good and will hopefully get Tesla to do better which is is capable of no doubt.

 

[kpanda17]

Maybe, but besides all of the conjecture what I see is one truck that can do close to 500 miles and 250+ towing, the Silverado, which is no doubt a truck and a work truck. The CT gets about half of those numbers and is a luxury suv that can do a few truck things. The competition is good and will hopefully get Tesla to do better which is is capable of no doubt.

agree, def different buyers:
-want a work BEV PU, long range is the primary goal, the Silverado EV is tops, amazing
-want a Tesla or unique BEV PU, the Cybertruck is IT!!! amazing and obviously we all love it
-want a PU, not really a BEV but maybe, you'll land BACK on an F150 or other legacy ICEv PU or the Silverado EV will be taking sales from the Lightening as we are seeing Lightening production being decreased

so it seems the sales are:
-old boys buy legacy PUs
-work BEV PU buy Silverado
-fun BEV PU buy Cybertruck
Where does this leave R1T...wow, not sure

 

[Crissa]

If Chevy can do it with the Silverado I am sure the Tesla team can do it, just surprised that Chevy has the lead in range and towing for an EV, not to mention the 350kw charging

Chevy didn't do this with the Silverado.

They don't have a charging network across the country.

They don't charge as fast as the other trucks.

They have the lead because of 'dumb range' of a giant battery.

How many Silverados have been shipped? As many as Cybertrucks? Over how many more months?

-Crissa

 

[FutureTruck]

Overall pretty much agree with that. CT is a fun sportscar minivan. Chevy is an ugly work truck. Rivian is?

 

[FutureTruck]

Chevy can use the Tesla charging network for slow 250kw charging or EA for 350w.

 

[Crissa]

Where does this leave R1T...wow, not sure

The R1T fits in places the Cybertruck does not. The Cybertruck is smaller for the same capacity as the 'traditional' pickup, but it's still not a mid-sized truck.

Chevy can use the Tesla charging network for slow 250kw charging or EA for 350w.

That's the same as the Cybertruck, eventually they'll both have access to the same networks.

But Chevy did not build a network of chargers.

-Crissa

 

[kpanda17]

The R1T fits in places the Cybertruck does not. The Cybertruck is smaller for the same capacity as the 'traditional' pickup, but it's still not a mid-sized truck.


That's the same as the Cybertruck, eventually they'll both have access to the same networks.

But Chevy did not build a network of chargers.

-Crissa

Silverado EVs are being rented out
They are available

CT is going great

not sure I agree, R1T might be getting lost, upstaged

 

[Crissa]

Silverado EVs are being rented out
They are available

CT is going great

not sure I agree, R1T might be getting lost, upstaged

Upstaged by what?

Like I said, you literally can't fit giant trucks where the R1T can go. If you need that size, it'll be great.

Silverados are being subsidized to go to fleets. Honestly, it seems more old-boys-network than any real demand.

-Crissa

 

[kpanda17]

Upstaged by what?

Like I said, you literally can't fit giant trucks where the R1T can go. If you need that size, it'll be great.

Silverados are being subsidized to go to fleets. Honestly, it seems more old-boys-network than any real demand.

-Crissa

Ah, a place for rhe R1T
The true midsize with the Tacos
R1T is the top and only EV now in that size
ETaco, eMavrick, etc one day

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