Unsupervised FSD in 2025 for Texas and California says Musk at Robotaxi / Cybercab reveal

[Darthamerica]

And Elon is saying that it's time to change the mindset of people.
They've pretty well done so with the EV.

This was an early prototype announcement; the car is still a few years away. There definitely can be some options by the time it is released.

Family size seems like a personal issue to me. It always surprises me why people with an 8 person family seem upset that there are no vehicles available for them.

I think people are missing the point. If FSD works on a 2 seat Robotaxi, it’s going to work on a 7 seat Model Y. Those 10-15% of people in the taxi market needing more passenger room will have options other than just Robotaxi.

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[Crissa]

I’d be willing to bet, in the future, insurance companies will ask how much FSD is used. Just like now when they ask how many miles a year you drive, they will ask how many of those will be unsupervised, and you’ll get a discount accordingly. But until FSD proves its self, insurance companies will charge more, or try to find a way to make themselves not responsible when FSD is enabled.

Cars using ADAS, including FSD, are already less likely to get into severe collisions.

-Crissa

 

[Darthamerica]

Cars using ADAS, including FSD, are already less likely to get into severe collisions.

-Crissa

This is only a hypothesis. ADAS and FSD are still too low volume to make this claim with any certainty.

 

[Gaximus]

This is only a hypothesis. ADAS and FSD are still too low volume to make this claim with any certainty.

There is plenty of data to prove FSD is is safer. Averaged over every million miles driven.

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

 

[Eddyrelik]

And Elon is saying that it's time to change the mindset of people.
They've pretty well done so with the EV.

This was an early prototype announcement; the car is still a few years away. There definitely can be some options by the time it is released.

Family size seems like a personal issue to me. It always surprises me why people with an 8 person family seem upset that there are no vehicles available for them.

ofcourse there is options. I have a minivan now. But I love my CT, and I wish I could have a Tesla option for my family vehicle too. And I’m sure many other would too.

 

[Darthamerica]

There is plenty of data to prove FSD is is safer. Averaged over every million miles driven.

https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

I love Tesla too… but don’t mistake marketing for proof. Science doesn’t work that way.

 

[Woodrick]

This is only a hypothesis. ADAS and FSD are still too low volume to make this claim with any certainty.

No, it's real ADAS: Everything You Need to Know (caranddriver.com)

There are 10s of millions of vehicles with ADAS.

 

[Darthamerica]

No, it's real ADAS: Everything You Need to Know (caranddriver.com)

There are 10s of millions of vehicles with ADAS.

That’s still not enough. To study this properly, it’s necessary to take a much not nuanced look at the data. For example, what kind of ADAS? Where, on the city streets of highway? What are the demographics and geography of the drivers? At what speeds? What’s the usage rate of ADAS in vehicles that have them? The data looks promising, but there may be more to the story. It is still too soon to make this claim as fact. Especially with a system like FSD. Again before you rush to be right… I’m not saying it isn’t true. I’m saying it’s too soon to know for certain at this point. Be patient.

 

[Gaximus]

I love Tesla too… but don’t mistake marketing for proof. Science doesn’t work that way.

That’s just the first report I found. My point being , there is enough data to use the Scientific Process to determine if FSD, causes less accidents.

 

[Woodrick]

That’s still not enough. To study this properly, it’s necessary to take a much not nuanced look at the data. For example, what kind of ADAS? Where, on the city streets of highway? What are the demographics and geography of the drivers? At what speeds? What’s the usage rate of ADAS in vehicles that have them? The data looks promising, but there may be more to the story. It is still too soon to make this claim as fact. Especially with a system like FSD. Again before you rush to be right… I’m not saying it isn’t true. I’m saying it’s too soon to know for certain at this point. Be patient.

It is quite a bit of data. It's not statistically insignificant.
And Tesla has additional information as well.

Just vehicle following during rush hour should be enough to convince most people. The number of fender benders that it has avoided is huge!

 

[Darthamerica]

It is quite a bit of data. It's not statistically insignificant.
And Tesla has additional information as well.

Just vehicle following during rush hour should be enough to convince most people. The number of fender benders that it has avoided is huge!

You’re making my point. Rush hour and on highways are relatively easy for FSD. In fact that’s where most FSD mile data comes from. Human driven crash data comes from a wider range and more difficult conditions than FSD is capable of handling for now. It’s not an Apples to Apples comparison.

But if you said FSD is safer on the highway compared to humans alone on the highway, that’s probably closer to reality.

 

[Darthamerica]

That’s just the first report I found. My point being , there is enough data to use the Scientific Process to determine if FSD, causes less accidents.

No, there’s not. Not for a while.

 

[65SoYoLO]

"Unsupervised FSD in 2025"
01/01/2025?
or...
12/31/25?

 

[Jack27]

As awesome as all of this is, I am just going to enjoy my Cybertruck and not worry about the "when" of these things coming to fruition.

For real ? FSD in Los Angeles as someone ells said “is like driving with there teenager” I’m not a fan of using it on the surface streets anyway

 

[Gaximus]

No, there’s not. Not for a while.

There has been 1.3 billion miles driven in FSD from Tesla alone, add in the other manufactures and you have plenty of data to determine if there are less crashes on average.

This article links to an independent study done by the University of Florida, that not only shows there is enough data, but that FSDis safer, with less accidents and fewer injuries during accidents due to reduced speeds pre accident(car acting faster than humans to brake and swerve)
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/repo...ng-cars-safer-than-human-drivers-imagry-jfcrf

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